How much noise is typical on the MAP sensor signal?
I am running with acceleration enrichment turned off now, because the MAP signal is just too noisy to pick out acceleration events. Or at least it was.
I added a pressure snubber that I had lying around and it smoothed out the MAPdot signal significantly, but it still seems pretty noisy. Example with snubber: http://www.boost-instruments.com/ms/...77kpa-snub.png More details at this link, including traces made under similar conditions before I added the snubber. I have a few more things to try, but I want to get an idea of how close to "normal" the readings now are. Thoughts? |
Looks like electrical noise to me. Spill the beans on your setup. Tell us everything. Omit nothing. Good well focused pics of the MS also. Outline your grounding scheme. Are your battery connections clean and tight?
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I initially suspected electrical noise as well, but given the change in amplitude of the MAPdot signal after adding the (pneumatic) snubber, it looks like at least a good portion of the noise is on the "air" side.
Do you have a graph of your MAPdot signal? Your MAP does look smoother but it's on a different scale than mine so it's hard to estimate how much smoother it is. |
We use TPSdot, not MAPdot. It's much better.
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I need to switch to a tiny vac hose. |
Nobody's got a graph of their MAPdot signal handy?
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What grounds does the MS have?
Can someone point me to a schematic of "sensor gnd" and "power gnd" of the MS if they have them separated? |
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/408/mtscreen.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/m...pg/1/w1079.png My problems are with CAS signal. Is your MAP sensor connected to the rear of the intake manifold? just behind the throttle body seems to have a lot of turbulence which causes noise. |
I once had a problem with the CAS signal because it was routed near the ignition wires.
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Thanks for the trace TrickerZ, though at 29 kPa / 1300 RPM mine is just as smooth. It really gets noisy up in the 70 kPa >3000 RPM range.
Regarding the MS grounds, there is only one ground plane on the MS. I added an extra 14ga wire to the manifold on mine. It didn't affect the MAP signal at all, but it did give me a more stable IAT reading. (My IAT sensor is using the same ground the AFM used.) My MAP signal is tee'd off of the FPR line. |
No screen shot now, but my map dot is butter smooth until about 45% duty cycle, then it gets messy to the tune of 150+ map dot swings. It's the low ohm injectors causing noise. I need to fix that. Or get a better ECU....
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How the hell is your shit so smooth?? should I be running a chunky ground wire to the ecu's ground line? should I be using some sort of signal smoother? My map signal is decent enough to not cause choppy afr's but it doesn't look anything like your guys'.
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Originally Posted by kday
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Regarding the MS grounds, there is only one ground plane on the MS.
A second, thick wire should go from the ground plane, to the engine, to act as power ground. Any other grounding scheme may not work. |
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I thought mine was noisy untill I saw yours.
1st pic 2.5mm vac line. Attached at the front of IM(in place of charcoal canister vent) Attachment 10500 2nd pic same vac line with a 1mm restrictor in line. Attachment 10501 As you can see it made bugger all difference.........OK, NO difference. kday, what is this pressure snubber you speak of? Nevermind.....Just saw the link. Actually, looking at them together now, the map amplitude did reduce a bit. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
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If so, there should be a separate wire from this ground plane, to the engine bay, to which all sensor grounds are returned. However, this won't work for sensors which are grounded through their body. Any sensors grounded through their body should NOT be connected to the above wire.
If it is electical noise, the source of the noise is RPM and MAP dependent. The signal is smooth at idle. It's smooth at 3000 RPM and low MAP. It gets noisy at high MAPs above ~3000 RPM. |
Originally Posted by Greenie
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I thought mine was noisy untill I saw yours.
1st pic 2.5mm vac line. Attached at the front of IM(in place of charcoal canister vent) Early on I moved my vac line back to the FPR. I think it smoothed things out somewhat but it's hard to say since I changed so many other things.
Originally Posted by Greenie
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2nd pic same vac line with a 1mm restrictor in line.
Another thing I want to try is the "G" spec pressure snubber which has smaller holes and is intended for air. |
Originally Posted by kday
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Early on I moved my vac line back to the FPR.
Originally Posted by kday
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One of the things I plan to try (as soon as the snow is gone...) is a 0.6mm restrictor.
It is triggering AE. |
Originally Posted by Greenie
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Do you think these two will help me with my issue's, or am I worrying about nothing?
It is triggering AE. Unexpected AE caused me no end of grief when I first started tuning. I thought I had disabled AE by setting the threshold high, but the noise was enough to trigger the un-tuned AE and dump in huge amounts of fuel, but only in some parts of the map. I had a huge lean spot in the middle of my VE table thanks to autotune until I realized what was going on. |
Mine has not been that bad, I noticed it when looking over my logs. I do have a TB off an automatic 1.6 with VTPS. That may have to be the next job.
Good luck. Thanks kday |
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