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hustler 05-13-2007 11:30 PM

I'm cheap
 
can I use a 1.8 throttle body, adn what adjustments will I have to make? It will save me like $50 on the FM swap kit.

magnamx-5 05-14-2007 07:36 AM

With a MS ecu i dont see it making any difference, the AIC might be different and you can use TPS for once but other than that and maybe swaping the 1.8 ecu in for a base of operations it should work fine. most people change the TB to accomadate the 1.6 ecu i think.

hustler 05-14-2007 07:37 AM

fuck!

magnamx-5 05-14-2007 07:44 AM

Why whats wrong hustler?

hustler 05-14-2007 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by magnamx-5 (Post 112899)
Why whats wrong hustler?

thread title.

Will I have to wire it in differently? I don't know what to expect from the pnp since I assume the wiring is "creative" to allow for pnp.

from solo miata:

I had to use the 1.6 throttle body because 1.8's air idle control valve's electrical and thermal connections on the throttle body are completely different. Both throttle bodies have the same butterfly diameter of 55mm so I wasn't concerned with choking the motor. The 1.6 throttle body's mounting holes are in different locations so I had to fabricate an adapter plate to mount it to the 1.8 manifold and connect the air idle control passages. That took a whole day in itself!
I don't know what all this means in terms of ms pnp.

m2cupcar 05-14-2007 08:51 AM

It means you're going to have to do wiring changes, or MS software changes to get it to work. If you want to stay PnP just pay the $50 for the adapter and use the 1.6 tb. Think about it this way- is it worth saving $50 to bring any grief upon yourself in the midst of this project. Spending the dough on the adapter follows the rest of the decisions you've made in this project- you're trying to avoid the DIY approach and it's risks - right? I know you've got the dough- time or money?

hustler 05-14-2007 09:03 AM

1.6 adapter it is.

Ben 05-14-2007 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 112912)
If you want to stay PnP just pay the $50 for the adapter and use the 1.6 tb. Think about it this way- is it worth saving $50 to bring any grief upon yourself in the midst of this project.

:werd:

magnamx-5 05-14-2007 09:42 AM

well i believe it might be just an issue of the plug ins not synching up as the auto 1.6's had variable tps's as well. But yeah to be safe and easy a adapter plate is the way to go.

jayc72 05-14-2007 10:37 AM

I'd buck up for the FM coversion kit, less fucking about. You have to relocate the coils and throttle cable as well. If you can DIY go for it, but if you are crunched for time ...

hustler 05-14-2007 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by jayc72 (Post 112963)
I'd buck up for the FM coversion kit, less fucking about. You have to relocate the coils and throttle cable as well. If you can DIY go for it, but if you are crunched for time ...

I was worried about the t-body adapter availability, but they have it in stock, so I'm going to buy it now.

ecugrad 05-14-2007 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 113023)
I was worried about the t-body adapter availability, but they have it in stock, so I'm going to buy it now.

Others make them now as well.

http://www.partsgroup.com/store.aspx...=Engine&Page=7

$49

Ben 05-16-2007 09:14 AM

Hustler,
Buy AndyFloyd's Bell manifold, it's ready to rock with a 1.6 tb. F the adaptor plate.

magnamx-5 05-16-2007 11:06 AM

yeah for 200 someodd bucks you get a better manifold etall,

jayc72 05-16-2007 11:11 AM

And Kelly might see some money :)

confuzzled 05-17-2007 12:24 AM

I used the 1.6 tb on a 99 manifold without the plate. Needed 1/2 it took for intercooler piping. Pictures are on my car domain site. Order the coil bracket and throttle cable bracket.

hustler 05-18-2007 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by confuzzled (Post 114409)
I used the 1.6 tb on a 99 manifold without the plate. Needed 1/2 it took for intercooler piping. Pictures are on my car domain site. Order the coil bracket and throttle cable bracket.

What tool did you use? Is the intake plenum a pretty soft metal?

confuzzled 05-19-2007 02:41 PM

Die grinder. It is soft AL. Just go slow and test fit along the way.


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