96 w/ megasquirt
01-31-2006, 08:22 AM
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96 w/ megasquirt
Plan:
MSnS-E, MS I v. 3.0
Parallel install (including FP operation)
Stock ECU for A/C and AIC, blah, blah, blah...
OBDII return codes (required in my state) [Thought about trying maf will be electrically connected and zip tied in the engine compartment, but out of the intake tract)
There is a ton of info on the msefi board and it is overwhelming to try and sort through what is needed for a paticular vehicle. There has been so many 'updates' that you can read for hours on a 'fix' only to discover its been 'fixed' in the software....There is also hardware, software and firmware, and then versions of each....
Luckily the miata trail has all ready been blazed @ least 90-95 non OBD II ones...
I started with the MS I 3.0 complete kit ~$190.00.
Discovered 'complete kit' doesn't include a $5.00 cable (took a second order)
There is also two GM sensors required CLT and AIT, both can be purchased together for ~40.00 on line. Since I have some time I'm going to try and use the factory CLT as Al did, just need to calculate the bias resistance @ 27 C. I will need the AIT because its in the MAF and the goal is to eliminate that POS
Not sure if I'll need the stimulator or not, I'll probably just check for V and resistance...
The assembly instructions are very procedural and methodical. They are that way for a reason, but next time I'm going to just to solder the resistors first, diodes , caps, and then the chips--basically start w/ the low lying pieces first, MS starts with the high stuff first. If you've ever done any assembly work you'll know what I mean. (but I need to build one 1st to see what is needed and not needed)
Because of time restraints(Kids) I'm only up to step 25. Each step has to be followed, so you can modify the board for your application.
MSnS-E, MS I v. 3.0
Parallel install (including FP operation)
Stock ECU for A/C and AIC, blah, blah, blah...
OBDII return codes (required in my state) [Thought about trying maf will be electrically connected and zip tied in the engine compartment, but out of the intake tract)
There is a ton of info on the msefi board and it is overwhelming to try and sort through what is needed for a paticular vehicle. There has been so many 'updates' that you can read for hours on a 'fix' only to discover its been 'fixed' in the software....There is also hardware, software and firmware, and then versions of each....
Luckily the miata trail has all ready been blazed @ least 90-95 non OBD II ones...
I started with the MS I 3.0 complete kit ~$190.00.
Discovered 'complete kit' doesn't include a $5.00 cable (took a second order)
There is also two GM sensors required CLT and AIT, both can be purchased together for ~40.00 on line. Since I have some time I'm going to try and use the factory CLT as Al did, just need to calculate the bias resistance @ 27 C. I will need the AIT because its in the MAF and the goal is to eliminate that POS
Not sure if I'll need the stimulator or not, I'll probably just check for V and resistance...
The assembly instructions are very procedural and methodical. They are that way for a reason, but next time I'm going to just to solder the resistors first, diodes , caps, and then the chips--basically start w/ the low lying pieces first, MS starts with the high stuff first. If you've ever done any assembly work you'll know what I mean. (but I need to build one 1st to see what is needed and not needed)
Because of time restraints(Kids) I'm only up to step 25. Each step has to be followed, so you can modify the board for your application.
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01-31-2006, 01:14 PM
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oh yeah and you may want to keep these instructions in mind when you are building.
http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_arti...alon_laser.htm
http://www.diyautotune.com/tech_arti...alon_laser.htm
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03-03-2006, 01:21 PM
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I’m doing the install on my ’96 Miata tomorrow.
MS1 V3 with MS’n’Spark.
I’ll let you know how everything goes.
Your pin schema was usefull. But I modified it a bit to make it easier to connect.
Thanks
MS1 V3 with MS’n’Spark.
I’ll let you know how everything goes.
Your pin schema was usefull. But I modified it a bit to make it easier to connect.
Thanks
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03-07-2006, 10:09 PM
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I have installed my MS in mine. But it's controlling nothing at the moment.
I have yet to install the GM coolant sensor has I had no luck in using the stock Miata one. Even using Easytherm and the data found on msefi.com for the Mazda coolant sensor.
As soon as the sensor is installed, I'll take control of the injector and see how well this ECU is behaving.
But as far as the rest of the reading goes.. everything seems fine: rpm. o2. tps (I have a 96 so TPS is a 0-5v one, unlike 1.6L) IAT (using GM sensor wrapped to air filter), MAP.. etc.
I have yet to install the GM coolant sensor has I had no luck in using the stock Miata one. Even using Easytherm and the data found on msefi.com for the Mazda coolant sensor.
As soon as the sensor is installed, I'll take control of the injector and see how well this ECU is behaving.
But as far as the rest of the reading goes.. everything seems fine: rpm. o2. tps (I have a 96 so TPS is a 0-5v one, unlike 1.6L) IAT (using GM sensor wrapped to air filter), MAP.. etc.
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03-10-2006, 10:16 PM
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Yo jefe have you hooked yers up yet? Because your pinout has some typos... o2 and outer cas both say pin 24. o2 goes to pin 23. and the inner cas goes to pin 25 if you are using the IAC1A like the DSM instructions say.
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03-20-2006, 09:21 PM
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Al,
Thanks!!! I updated it to reflect, I kinda feel bad about starting it but then it ended up complete, just sitting on the work bench. (Damn WBO2)
Good news, while away on vacation my WBO2 returned all fixed, N/C and it was past the warrantee period! Thanks ZT-2!!!
I'll attempt to wire it in this week or next, I'm kind of waiting for the snow to leave...
Miatamath-
"Your pin schema was usefull. But I modified it a bit to make it easier to connect."
What else needs to changed?
Thanks!!! I updated it to reflect, I kinda feel bad about starting it but then it ended up complete, just sitting on the work bench. (Damn WBO2)
Good news, while away on vacation my WBO2 returned all fixed, N/C and it was past the warrantee period! Thanks ZT-2!!!
I'll attempt to wire it in this week or next, I'm kind of waiting for the snow to leave...
Miatamath-
"Your pin schema was usefull. But I modified it a bit to make it easier to connect."
What else needs to changed?
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03-20-2006, 10:13 PM
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Hello Jefe,
Since you have an 96.. I'm pretty sure you could use my doc.
Here it is.
Take note that the actual V3 external wiring diagram is only for a guide and the pinout are not representative to miata Mod.
Since you have an 96.. I'm pretty sure you could use my doc.
Here it is.
Take note that the actual V3 external wiring diagram is only for a guide and the pinout are not representative to miata Mod.
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03-20-2006, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by olderguy
What was wrong with it???
I emailed Zeitronix and thay had me check a few pin readings w/ my DVM. still didn't see anything wrong. I pulled the entire harness and checked every wire for continouity(sp) everything was OK. I reported my finds via email and admitted to opening up the case of the ZT-2 (this is where I got the ESD lecture--anywho I explained I have a ground strap @ my work bench and ESD shoes) They wouldn'nt send me a schematic but asked for me to send everything to them. I sent it as requested. They returned it to me, w/o a letter of explaination or anything, I plugged it in and it worked(the harness connector I kept installed the car). I think they replaced the card, I should have marked my old one(as the case, o2 sensor and o2 harness were the same)
I think the 5V regulator went bad (7805) it is not heat sunk in the case, I have a bunch here and was tempted to just replace it but I was more curious how ZT-2 would handle the situation... Now that I think of it I may add a heat sink to this ZT-2 (I doubt they would re-extend a warrantee anyway).
(Also the 7805 they use may not be rated for -30 below)
I had already fine tuned my EM maps to +-5% for my Autotune (really I think it was just to compensate for temp at that point)
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