Ms Ordered, Lc-1 Ordered!!!!!!!!
 

They are on ther way boys, get ready for an onslaut of dumb ass questions!!!

Oh and to make everyones life easier, i am building MagnaMX-5's kit for him, so you wont have to deal with his questions as well... u can thank me later!


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WHAT?!?! He's going to abandone the stock ECU? What's next? An I/C????

:)

hahahahhahahhaa you will never see an I/C on his car im afraid :)

Got mine ordered today to. So we will have 2 people with dumbass questions coming next week. Now I just need to order my LC-1.

Awesome, more FI MS Miatas.
I´ll be keeping an eye on this thread, good luck guys!

lc-1 180 shipped on e-bay

yeah im not done with stock ecu yet but MS was to sweet a deal to pass up. the MS software seems pretty nice im still wraping my brian around it. Yeah no IC for me thanks, hopefully i can use the 460's and a little more FP and make some big power with MS. Even before with some proper 300's i hope to make some nice power with 115 psi first we shall see. :yippee:

Yah I know. I am going to wait tell when I get closer to the install in my car. I am shooting for March 9th to start the install in my car.

I got 2 engines runs LC-1 with MS. I got a couple advices if you want it runnig for long time without issue.

The weak point with LC-1 is heat. Sometime when the exaust gets lot of heat, the LC-1 get an overheating code...that's really embarassing, cause the sensor is damaged and you have too replace it or this same code will appear again and again....

Here's my advice to prevent this. The instalation manual suggest to install heat shield, and you should take this advice seriously. I also wrap the portion of the exaust, let say 10 inches before and after the sensor.

The LC1 must run catalitic converter, and you should install it 6 inch before the cat.

If you do this, your LC1 will run perfectly ;)

**off topic
I got a KLZE 2.5L in a 323, and at cruise the engine does 7L/100km... Stock with OEM ECU, it was 15L/100km. It's simply awsome.

we dont have to run a cat though only if we are cuaght is it a problem. thanks for the advice.

The LC-1 uses a Bocsh Wideband (I think VW and other OEMs us it too). Over heating will cause issue, but I doubt that it'll cause permanent damage unless subjected to extreme conditions for a long time.

How would wrapping the exhaust help? If anything it would keep the heat in the exhaust and subject the sensor to even higher temps.

If the Cat is after the WB02 sensor how would it help? If anything the Cat would impede exhaust flow and cause everything upstream to run hotter.

But other than that, spot on advice. :)

Jay

wow, i remember the first time I spoke english too...

Since we're talking about MS and LC1, has anyone else put the resistor on the MS o2 input? Apparently MS fries LC1s occasionally if you don't do this. I did it on mine.

al, i hate to do this to ya buddy but your about to become my new best friend.. you have all the experiance i need.. and you are runnin boost control, something i want to do badly!

Maybe you oughta go it alone, you know, really EARN your MS stripes.

Just kiddin, but tech support is $35/hr. I accept paypal.

Just get the thing running before you worry about boost at all, let alone EBC. ;)

how much of the software do you actualy have to learn?? Like what parts do you adjust the most? What were the hardest parts to get right after you hooked it up for the first time?

learn all of it. the tuning and megatune setup is the fun part, the physical setup/wiring and trouble shooting is the part that sucks. (especially if you did it before it was very popular on miatas.) getting the damn thing started and idling is hardest, but now that we have a nice selection of miata maps ready to go, MSing should be easy.

The over heat wont comes from the exaust gas itself, but from the outside radiation of the exaust pipe. It's mentioned in the innovate manual.

Again, if the sensor reach 1200F, it will trip the value at the LC1 unit, then a code will be thrown, and MS wont read O2 voltage, it will stuck at 19:1. It happened twice to me, even if I would reset it, the code was coming back 10 mins later. I spoke with a technician at innovate and that's what he told me, "the sensor's probably damaged". If you read LC1 manual installation, it's mentioned. By wrapping this section of the exaust, it solved the issue for me.

This is how you get the voltage's sensor, the most accurate, that's all, ain't heat issue at all.

Thanks, I'll take it as a compliment. Nobody learned me to speak english, as long as you understand what I'm writing, I'm happy with that :)

There's not really hardest parts, as long as you understand what's going on with the engine. Soon as you get the first start, you build a safe fuel map(rich), then you ride while datalogging in megatune menu, under tuning bar. Then you export the datalog, you open megalogviewer, import back the .vex, set the ARF target to reach , and let megalogviewer compile the new VE. Accept the value, import back the .vex and you should be close to a perfect fuel map.

spark is more difficult, but there's good map shared by user of this forum, just copy/paste the value, retard the value by 5 to be safe and you should be ok. Later, when you'll learned correctly how megatune works, advance back the timing to get a bit more performance, but I highly recommand you do this on a dyno, with technician in place.

happy tuning

Thanx for the advice.. Since this is my daily driver, i whould be ok if it doesnt work the first time, becasue im doing the paralell install, so i can always switch back to my stock ecu

just fyi, the spark map im using you shouldnt have to retard because it is from fm, conservative91 octane tune.

Here is dumb question #1, Since the timing is only effected by boost when it sees boost, then your spark map that you are running on your boosted car will work fine on my currently NA car, right?

and now that ive been thinking about it for ten minutes the same should kind of be true with fuel... but im thinking that i would have to be running NA with the size of injectors that im going to run when its FI, for me to be able to use the same fuel map NA and FI,, any of this make sence, or am i way in left field?

It makes sense but realy just use about the same size injectors as him or the stockers and compensate from there on a percentage in relation to your new injector size i hope to run 460's. The timming should work fine but go through and check the map vs stock anyway to see if you are missing out on some hp.

You got it. Fuel and ign maps are load and rpm based. Load is indicated by mainfold pressure. 100 kPa is atmospheric, WOT for a NA car. When I bolted on the turbo, there was little tuning to do under 100 kPa, just a bit to account for VE changes due to the turbo and IC plumbing.

ohhhh mschlang another new best friend... Did you change injectors? or are u using the stock 1.6 injectors?

I ran the stockers to get the MS sorted, switched to RX7 460s to prepare for the turbo. I've been up to 56% duty cycle @ 5 psi, lots of room yet.

told ya Ad ;) great minds think alike. mshlang how does MS compare ot haltech in your view as far as ease of use and tunning?

On a side note did you just sell a stock ecu for a 1.6 i noticed you where in Las vegas i just bought a ecu from there of ebay this morning. :D

Funny this should come up today, I went ahead and started taking my second stab at installing my megasquirt. got the wiring harness mostly hooked up, but couldnt find my tuning cable doh! Still got your maps also al, and if all goes well im hoping to autocross with the megasquirt next weekend

anyway, wish me luck on that. would be great to finally ditch the oem ecu.

The Haltech was much nicer in the fact that it is so highly polished. Want to run boost control, anti-lag, flat shift, ect? Just configure it in the program, no messing around. A friend of mine is a Dyno Dynamics dealer, and the E6K is his favorite low-cost ecu to tune. The maps are bar graphs indexed by rpm, so it is really easy to tune one rpm from low to high load, and then more on to another. It also accepts nearly any ign input with no changes, which is also nice. The only real thing that the Haltech lacks is datalogging capability. It does dl, but there is no program to view the info like Megalogviewer, you just look at the raw data.

Nope, mine is in the car running idle control, ac, and emmisions stuff. If I sell the car, it should take about 3 hrs to go back to stock, which is a nice option to have.

I hate the US postal service... I could have had my shit today BUUUUUUUT it was a fuckin gay ass holiday and the gay ass postal service isnt working today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF holiday no one told me about this shit wich one? shoulda had em take it to your house man.

where the hell were u to tell me that when i ordered it??? God damn stupid worthless holidays.. no one even likes the fuckin president!

who me i didn't even know it was a holiday.

Ordered mine tonight, using priority mail. Decided to get a small soldering station as well. Nothing special just something better than the wore out POS pencil iron I have that won't even hold a tin(ing).
Gonna be an adventure. Bum deal about your shipping ordeal, better get it tomorrow or i fear for the postal services life. Adam might just straight up lose it.

hehehehehh yeah thats right it bettter be here today. I got a new soldering station as well, and some soldering brade, and some other goodies

YAAAAY i got it!!! Time to get to work

Have you started yet?

yeah, stim is built, power section of board built and tested, com section built and tested, after some issues with the internal usb adapter, its workin tho, and all of the inputs are built and tested, had an issue with RPM but i think i got it lined out now... all thats left are the outputs.

I just got mine in. I will start the build tommorow. I am planning on taking pics every step of the way.

i was gonna do that but my camera sucks indoors

I stole my friends digital camera hopefully it will be able to take some decent pictures. I ordered a sticker from DIY to so thats an auto +5 HP to my car right away. I so cant wait to put it on my roll bar.

hhahahahahahahahaha

yes, definitely pictures please! I have birthday money burning a hole in my pocket.

GTS if you are going to wait a bit to build you can borrow my STIM once I am done with it for the cost of shipping once I am done with it.

Hmm... I might take you up on that, however I was thinking the stim would be good practice before building the squirt.

Definitely good way to practice soldering, that's one reason I got my own.

Just got my stuff in the mail today, should have the board built and modded my monday. just waiting on my switches to come in the mail.

rock on

Yah I am starting my build tonight. Hopefully I will have it done this weekend. Knowing me I will stay up all ngiht building it and attempt to wire it in on sunday.

you guys are going to be my inspiration... I'll probably order mine next week.

gts, buy roteryjunkey's

His is a 1.6 computer... mine is a 1.8.

I'd hate for all the mods to his computer go to waste, someone with a 1.6 will want it.

good point