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etang789 10-24-2016 12:39 AM

MS3 Dead Time Setting for RDX 410cc
 
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I am using Acura RDX 410cc injectors in my 2005 Miata with 1.8L VVT engine and running on Basic MS3 .The TunerStudio Injector Dead-time/PWM setting page is quite confusing, need some help in verify my settings.

It ask for dead time @13.2v a data point which I dont have so I have to calculate from the other data point I found online. Then on the graph it uses percentage of @13.2v I assume because on the graph 13.2 was not referenced? Then whats the difference between the " A(ms) " in top part of " MS3X Injectors " and the "BANK 1 Dead time @ 13.2V(ms) " bottom part of " Mainboard Injectors "

etang789 10-26-2016 12:56 PM

Bump for help

Also do I have to do @19.2v 0% reference in the table?

hi_im_sean 10-26-2016 04:20 PM

MS uses 13.2V as the "zero point", use maths and calculate what percentage the dead times are, at 10, 12, 14 and 16V and input those values into the table in the top left graph of your screenshot there. MS will interpolate the rest.

The "A ms" through "H" is just for different injector banks so you can tailor curves to each bank. Unless you are running a crazy staged injection setup with different injector types in each stage, ignore it all and just use the "main board" value with "curve 1" as indicated in your screen shot, which you will see, will fill in the "A" value if memory serves me correct.

etang789 11-14-2016 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1370108)
MS uses 13.2V as the "zero point", use maths and calculate what percentage the dead times are, at 10, 12, 14 and 16V and input those values into the table in the top left graph of your screenshot there. MS will interpolate the rest.

The "A ms" through "H" is just for different injector banks so you can tailor curves to each bank. Unless you are running a crazy staged injection setup with different injector types in each stage, ignore it all and just use the "main board" value with "curve 1" as indicated in your screen shot, which you will see, will fill in the "A" value if memory serves me correct.


Many thanks this was very helpful

irodd 11-15-2016 05:20 PM

Most likely you already know it, but just in case:
You attached RDX Injectors deadtimes@43.5psi, your car has differential pressure across injector at idle around 70psi.
Deadtimes@70psi are higher than deadtimes@43.5psi on 10-15%

etang789 01-11-2017 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by irodd (Post 1374808)
Most likely you already know it, but just in case:
You attached RDX Injectors deadtimes@43.5psi, your car has differential pressure across injector at idle around 70psi.
Deadtimes@70psi are higher than deadtimes@43.5psi on 10-15%

I didn't know!

What adjustment do I need to set accordingly?

irodd 01-11-2017 10:05 AM

Multiply deadtimes on 1.15

1.224ms@13.2V@43.5psi -> 1.4076ms@13.2V@70psi

etang789 01-11-2017 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by irodd (Post 1385954)
Multiply deadtimes on 1.15

1.224ms@13.2V@43.5psi -> 1.4076ms@13.2V@70psi

But I mean where do I put this setting? Its not on this Injector Dead-time/PWM setting page

irodd 01-11-2017 10:31 AM

43.5psi 70psi
V ms ms
8 2.5 2.875 204.25%
10 1.8 2.07 147.06%
12 1.41 1.6215 115.20%
13.2 1.224 1.4076 100.00%
14 1.1 1.265 90%
16 1.04 1.196 85%

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d73f86af08.jpg

etang789 01-11-2017 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by irodd (Post 1385963)
43.5psi 70psi
V ms ms
8 2.5 2.875 204.25%
10 1.8 2.07 147.06%
12 1.41 1.6215 115.20%
13.2 1.224 1.4076 100.00%
14 1.1 1.265 90%
16 1.04 1.196 85%

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d73f86af08.jpg

I understand the calculation. But I dont see on the page how you can specify if it is 43.5psi or 70psi fuel pressure

DNMakinson 01-11-2017 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by etang789 (Post 1385964)
I understand the calculation. But I dont see on the page how you can specify if it is 43.5psi or 70psi fuel pressure

You don't key it in. The point is that it is better to use the 70 psi data than the 43.5 psi data, and when the dead time is most important (low MAP) is where the differential pressure is approximately 70psi.

irodd 01-11-2017 10:55 AM

No place to specify it, you have to choose data according to your car fuel system pressure.

etang789 01-12-2017 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1385969)
You don't key it in. The point is that it is better to use the 70 psi data than the 43.5 psi data, and when the dead time is most important (low MAP) is where the differential pressure is approximately 70psi.

got it didnt know this car uses 70psi fuel pressure rather than 43.5psi

hi_im_sean 01-12-2017 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by etang789 (Post 1386149)
got it didnt know this car uses 70psi fuel pressure rather than 43.5psi

It doesn't. Differential pressure is different than static pressure.

etang789 02-16-2017 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1386181)
It doesn't. Differential pressure is different than static pressure.

Understood


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