Mspnp 99-00??
Now that the MSPNP 96-97 is out, I haven't heard anything about the 99-00.
Is this still happening? |
Last time I checked, DIY was working on a couple of other cars to do PNP's on before coming back to miatas.
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Originally Posted by Stealth97
(Post 246632)
Last time I checked, DIY was working on a couple of other cars to do PNP's on before coming back to miatas.
There are other cars besides Miatae? I need to get out more... |
If you want help doing your own I'll help you. If not I'll be building some more this summer. How soon do you want it?
EDIT: Just read your sig, whats the deal you apparently already have MS? Is this for a different car? |
Originally Posted by cjernigan
(Post 246654)
If you want help doing your own I'll help you. If not I'll be building some more this summer. How soon do you want it?
EDIT: Just read your sig, whats the deal you apparently already have MS? Is this for a different car? |
Originally Posted by Stealth97
(Post 246632)
Last time I checked, DIY was working on a couple of other cars to do PNP's on before coming back to miatas.
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Originally Posted by Stealth97
(Post 246632)
Last time I checked, DIY was working on a couple of other cars to do PNP's on before coming back to miatas.
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Hmm. Not sure how strong the demand is for 66 Dart PNP ecus, but good luck with it none the less. :)
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This is next on my list to tackle as I'm sure most of you know.
Hey DIY we should have a 99-00 development race. Hehe It could be fun, whoever wins corners the MS market for 99-00 miatas. Just kidding, you guys make great stuff. |
Hmm. Not sure how strong the demand is for 66 Dart PNP ecus, but good luck with it none the less. Just kidding, although that white Subaru sort of has a plug and play system in it. And there were a few hints dropped at the MegaMeet about what one of the next models would be. |
Yeah, I was assuming it would be for that car next to your Dart in the shop.
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Good guess. However, we're juggling quite a few projects and right now nobody, not even Jerry, knows which one will be finished first.
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um...I'm going to look at a mighty max truck today. lol
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If you build one for the 99-00, it might just tempt me to go NB
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carlb, are you looking at going stand-alone or piggyback?
-Mike |
Originally Posted by grippgoat
(Post 248357)
carlb, are you looking at going stand-alone or piggyback?
-Mike |
What's interesting to me is why the 99-00's are "johnny come lately's" to the aftermarket party so often? It seems to make more sense to ignore the 96-97 rather than 99-00 (if you're going to choose to ignore model years).
Production numbers suggest there's more money in the latter years. There were more NB's produced in 99 than in 96-97 combined! 96 18,607 97 17,910 Total 36,517 99 38,593 00 19,502 Total 58,095 I guess the thought is that they are newer and less likely to be modified. But, seems to be an argument that is increasingly out of touch with reality. The sheer numbers should've pushed the balance over by now. Or maybe, it's because the NB's are viewed as substantially more complex? Who knows. Anyway, I'm going outside now to see if I can track down where my MS wiring has gone wrong. Ack! |
If I had to guess, I'd say that the reason for the order in which the units came out is as follows:
The 1.6 was first, because it's what they had lying around and was a hugely undeserved market. The '94-'95 was next because it's completely identical except for a few wiring changes. The '96-'97 was next because it's very similar to the others. The NB however is a different animal. New development work is required for things like alternator control, and I suspect they'll have to go with the MS-II in order to support the factory crank and cam triggers. To me, it makes sense for DIY to release all the NA units first, as they're all pretty similar, rather than postponing them while they do the NB development. |
Joe nailed it: All the NA cars are very similar, so we were able to use a lot of the development work from the first one to launch the other two. The NB is going to require more development work and is likely to be running MS2/Extra because the different sensors require it.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 251881)
If I had to guess, I'd say that the reason for the order in which the units came out is as follows:
The 1.6 was first, because it's what they had lying around and was a hugely undeserved market. The '94-'95 was next because it's completely identical except for a few wiring changes. The '96-'97 was next because it's very similar to the others. The NB however is a different animal. New development work is required for things like alternator control, and I suspect they'll have to go with the MS-II in order to support the factory crank and cam triggers. To me, it makes sense for DIY to release all the NA units first, as they're all pretty similar, rather than postponing them while they do the NB development. |
Originally Posted by 96rdstr
(Post 252142)
Joe forgot to mention that the NA is King, and that is the 1st and formost reason for all the NA models years to be done.
The NA is certainly "easier" to modify in some respects, and the age and cost of the NA cars certainly suggests that they are more prone to be modified. And to tell you the truth, I still prefer the svelte, unpretentious look of the NA over the more butch styling of the NB, especially in the later years when the factory started hanging those gods-awful plastic bits below the doors. On the other hand, aftermarket turbo support for the 1.6 engine has always been spotty. We're generally the last to get the new manifold designs from FM and Bell, probably because the 1.8 is judged by them to be a more lucrative market. In fact, Bell still does not seem to have a version of the über-sexy S4 manifold for the 1.6, nor do they spec a version of the S5 kit for it. I don't blame them. And let's face it- the NB is a superior chassis. Sure it put on a few pounds, but it's just a more solid platform than its headlight-challenged older sibling. For instance, the NB is banned in STS2 (along with Lotuses) and given a "C" classing in stock, vs an "E" classification for all the NAs, both 1.6 and 1.8. And let's face it, the NBs are getting cheap, while the NAs are just getting old. A person looking to buy a Miata these days, and really doing a proper job of their research, would be hard-pressed to come up with a reason to purchase an NA over an NB. If I were car-shopping today, I'd buy a '99/'00. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 252155)
Honestly, I don't know how I feel about that.
The NA is certainly "easier" to modify in some respects, and the age and cost of the NA cars certainly suggests that they are more prone to be modified. And to tell you the truth, I still prefer the svelte, unpretentious look of the NA over the more butch styling of the NB, especially in the later years when the factory started hanging those gods-awful plastic bits below the doors. On the other hand, aftermarket turbo support for the 1.6 engine has always been spotty. We're generally the last to get the new manifold designs from FM and Bell, probably because the 1.8 is judged by them to be a more lucrative market. In fact, Bell still does not seem to have a version of the über-sexy S4 manifold for the 1.6, nor do they spec a version of the S5 kit for it. I don't blame them. And let's face it- the NB is a superior chassis. Sure it put on a few pounds, but it's just a more solid platform than its headlight-challenged older sibling. For instance, the NB is banned in STS2 (along with Lotuses) and given a "C" classing in stock, vs an "E" classification for all the NAs, both 1.6 and 1.8. And let's face it, the NBs are getting cheap, while the NAs are just getting old. A person looking to buy a Miata these days, and really doing a proper job of their research, would be hard-pressed to come up with a reason to purchase an NA over an NB. If I were car-shopping today, I'd buy a '99/'00. I was actually being sarcastic. I prefer NA for 3 reasons. 1) I own one. 2) it was paid for along time ago. 3) I personally like the old school barn doors. I was never a fan of the NB. Now, the NC has grown on me, but I would probably opt for a Solstice GXP for my new ride. Then I would still have my NA.:eek5: |
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