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ninerwfo 08-31-2018 01:52 PM

Is this the simplest way to add nalogue inputs to MS3Pro PnP?
 
In another thread I have just embarrassingly and publically learned in that special MT way that the MS3Pro PnP has only 2 analogue inputs, and now I’m searching for a cost/convenience/quality balanced solution to organising more analogue inputs.
The new(ish) MS3Pro “Universal gauge” looks like it might fit the bill - according to the blurb it would allow 3 more analogue inputs that could be sent to TunerStudio and displayed on the Raspberry Pi in the dash.
Any other ideas as simple as this one out there that don’t include building boards and giving myself 3rd-degree solder burns?
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...2-microsquirt/
The blurb says:
”The gauge can also be connected to up to 3 sensors with the 3x 0-5v analog inputs and can be used as an expansion board. This means that if there is a sensor connected to the gauge, the ECU can read it over CANBus, display it in TunerStudio and datalog the value (including battery voltage”

acedeuce802 08-31-2018 02:10 PM

You can also look into a DIYautotune CAN-EGT, or one of the products offered by JBPerf (although his products require more setup and fiddling, some don't come in cases, etc). But the gauge you linked is certainly a great solution. It's a lot of functionality in a small package for a good price.

ninerwfo 08-31-2018 02:17 PM

The JBPerf tip was a good one, had not heard of that, thanks. 2 feasible options, life is good..

shuiend 08-31-2018 03:37 PM

TinyIOX board is probably what you want and or need. AidanJ has a good thread about it. I am also in the process of building one myself to use with my MS3X.

Reverant 09-01-2018 09:38 AM

The latest version of the CAN wideband module also offers 8 analog inputs, on top of the digital wideband input and the OBD-II output.

ninerwfo 09-01-2018 02:24 PM

Thanks Reverant, will check out, although at over $600 AUD landed it is pricey - could be worth it though for adding per cylinder EGT.
Might have another contender 4 analogue inputs to CAN output for $90 from Autosport labs:
https://www.autosportlabs.com/produc...can-interface/
Wonder how that migh go...

jonboy 09-01-2018 02:40 PM

TinyIOX also gives you CAN AFR if you have a compatible wideband.

I've got a TinyIOX with CAN WB and 4 ABS wheel speed inputs. If you are handy with a soldering iron it's not too hard to do, but for analogue / digital you will need to do things like build your own protection circuit (simple) - but it's not at all plug and play..

Another option would be to use a microsquirt as a 'slave' device via CANbus just for IO...

WestfieldMX5 09-01-2018 04:08 PM

What circuit are you using for those ABS wheel speed inputs? The dual vr conditioner board?

jonboy 09-01-2018 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by WestfieldMX5 (Post 1499570)
What circuit are you using for those ABS wheel speed inputs? The dual vr conditioner board?

I've got 2 dual VR conditioner boards, the ones that you can get cheap for Speeduino (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192551778189). Seem to work fine so far, only have 2 wheels connected (F+R) as that was all I had wired into the cabin before, but at some point I'll connect the other two up. Probably once they've added better use of the secondary inputs to MS3, it's more for future proofing at the moment.

Reverant 09-02-2018 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by ninerwfo (Post 1499554)
Thanks Reverant, will check out, although at over $600 AUD landed it is pricey - could be worth it though for adding per cylinder EGT.
Might have another contender 4 analogue inputs to CAN output for $90 from Autosport labs:
https://www.autosportlabs.com/produc...can-interface/
Wonder how that migh go...

How on earth does USD $150 plus shipping translate to AUD $600???

ninerwfo 09-02-2018 04:30 AM

Thought we were talking about this for $315 plus post:
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...ple-interface/

What one were you referring to?

jonboy 09-02-2018 04:58 AM

From Reverent's signature:


MS Labs: Plug and Play Megasquirt ECUs for ANY 90-05 Miata (NA, NB1, NB2 w/VVT, MSM), including basemaps to get you started ASAP. PM me or email or details.
MS Labs is not the same company as DIYAutotune...

Reverant 09-02-2018 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by ninerwfo (Post 1499621)
Thought we were talking about this for $315 plus post:
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/...ple-interface/

What one were you referring to?

MSLabs CAN Wideband Module

13brv3 09-02-2018 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by ninerwfo (Post 1499427)
In another thread I have just embarrassingly and publically learned in that special MT way that the MS3Pro PnP has only 2 analogue inputs, and now I’m searching for a cost/convenience/quality balanced solution to organising more analogue inputs.

Thanks for "taking one for the team" :-) I've been looking into this as well, and I'm just starting to get up to speed on all the different companies who offer MS products.

I asked DIYAT about adding more inputs, and their suggestion was to use the MicroSquirt as an IOBox. This looks like it adds a lot of functionality, though at a price for it's finished product convenience. I'm still deciding how badly I need/want the extra inputs.
https://www.diyautotune.com/shop/meg...d/microsquirt/
http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/Microsquirt-IObox-1.pdf

Cheers,
Rusty



Reverant 09-02-2018 11:44 AM

It it means anything, the Basic MS3 has more spare programmable outputs and more digital inputs as well.

ninerwfo 09-02-2018 07:28 PM

Reverant, your contributions to this thread have really clarified and presented options, thank you.

18psi 09-02-2018 07:36 PM

if only the MSlabs CAN module worked consistently and not had issues

Lokiel 09-02-2018 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1499698)
if only the MSlabs CAN module worked consistently and not had issues

Can you elaborate on these issues?

I've created my own Arduino-PCB that has an Innovate WBO2 serial input and communicates the AFR to the MS3 as a lambda value via a custom CAN message.
I decode the Innovate Serial Protocol 2 (ISP2) LC-1 data according to their protocol.
The PCB also has an OLED output and I can display the WB02 status on it at 2Hz so that I can see exactly what the sensor is doing.
eg. At startup, you can see it going through its warm-up sequence.
When warmed up you see the AFR value displayed.

Occasionally the gauge will report the O2 value for a brief glimpse, then revert to displaying AFR again.
I only broadcast AFR lambda values to the MS3; if no valid AFR value has been report yet (or within one second) I send a lambda value of 1.0 (stoich) and for O2 temporary glitches I report the previous lambda value.

Is it possible that the MSlabs CAN module isn't handling the fact that the Innovate sensor can mix in occasional O2 reports with the AFR reports?
OR is the firmware not decoding the Innovate WB 02 message correctly?



Reverant 09-03-2018 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1499698)
if only the MSlabs CAN module worked consistently and not had issues

Sorry but this is clearly FUD. 100% it works correctly all the time. Each and every time where there has been a problem, it has been because customers entered the wrong CAN ID in the TS settings.

I would love to be proven wrong.

Lokiel 09-03-2018 03:14 AM

^
Poscat added, love it when a vendor has this much confidence in their product!

From my own experience, once I sorted out parsing the Innovate protocol, got it all wired up reliably and configured in TS, there's nothing that should go wrong (unless the sensor shits itself).

18psi 09-03-2018 03:15 AM

With all due respect, and I'm not saying they're all defective, but I'm not gonna re-hash it, especially after talking about it in a thread, pm's, and emails. Among other issues (with that specific rev MS3, which was shipped to me directly, and installed by me personally), the can module worked fine most the time and would freeze from time to time. Never got resolved, even after attempting to troubleshoot/diagnose per your instruction.

He sold it to someone who I think re-sold it. I installed and tuned it myself. I have every single install and tune documented to the minute details. Please don't pull a BEGi here and just flat out deny confirmed issue. There are at least two that I know of doing that, and this one in question was missing several inputs/wires in the harness too.

While I have your attention: this one I'm tuning now has a CEl that won't go away. It's completely disabled in the map/unit. I advised him to email you.

Reverant 09-03-2018 03:25 AM

I invite anyone that has this specific issue you mentioned to post here with this problem.

If I recall correctly, the one you had was purchased over 4 years ago; do you think we haven't updated our products in the mean time?

As for the MS3 issue you have; sure but it's best if you post it in a new thread and tag me. Is this a Basic MS3?

18psi 09-03-2018 03:09 PM

It was purchased/installed in 2017. 1 year ago.
As for updated products: fair enough, and I'm glad you revised the products to fix the issues. I sincerely hope that the latest/greatest from MSLabs has a 0% failure rate, it will only make my job easier. It just annoys me when I hear words like "100% of them work 100% of the time" when I have personally seen otherwise.

Also, paging rallysquirrel: please contact MSlabs regarding your CEL issue

Reverant 09-03-2018 03:39 PM

Enhanced MS3 on the MSM? Make sure the stock EBC valve is disconnected.


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