so how well does your car start?
 

It starts first time, but it takes about 7 cycles before it fires, regardless of cold or hot. Played with cranking duties a bit, but that doesn't seem to make much difference.
My Link ecu used to fire *instantly*, it even didn't take a comply cycle to start, almost like an on/off switch, really. Scared the crap out of me the first time I started the car :laugh:.

Mine takes about one full cycle. Even with the stock CAS, should be about the same.

I do typically wait about a full second between power on and hitting the starter. Takes the MS a little bit to boot up and fire the priming pulse.

My Hydra seems to take 3-4 cycles

My turbo car onMS starts just as quickly and smooth as my stock 1995. I didn't spend that much time on it either...ms just works I guess.

mine starts pretty well.

Mine starts fine... I just had to mess around with the cranking pulse widths a bit.

mine used to start right up with one cycle. Now when it got down to like 60 today it took like 4 cycles.

Mine used to start fine before I nixed the IAC.

Starts, warm-up, idles just like stock

Guess I'll need to play more with the prime and cranking pulse. No matter what I do, it always takes 7 cycles before it starts. Lowered and raised them by as much as 50% without noticeable differences. Mmm. Will keep playing with them and see what happens.

I think that is MS1, Frank is running MS2.

Im starting to think we really need a dedicated MSII section for those running it, not to mention the new DIYPNP will be using MSII as well.

My car starts as soon as I turn my key. It actually starts faster than my 05 Acura mdx

Less than one second, like most NA's with OEM computer in place. NB? that's another story...damn engineers:jerkit:

(slaps self upon forehead.)

And fuel pressure to build.

MS1 with NA CAS - Sometimes instantly, others maybe 2-3 turns, probably depends on where the engine was turned off.
MS2 with stock 2002 sensors: Like Frank, 7-8 cycles. It usually tries to catch on 3 or 4 but doesnt quite make it and you have to keep trying for another 3 or 4 cycles. Then it catches.

Jim

Hi guys. Newb question. Mine starts in 3 or 4 cycles but as soon as i turn the key to on (without cranking) i always hear what sounds like pressurized air escaping quickly- almost like a muffled bov. Any thoughts?

96 with MS PNP

doh! Nevermind. I just found this on a recent thread.:facepalm:

My Link used to start just like Skip's here (and I swear, sometimes even faster):
YouTube - First Start - Caterham SV with Turbo Miata Engine. This is a 99 with CAS and Link.
Anyone with a 99 on stock sensors that fires up like this? I considered an Adaptronic, but it seems they don't start too good either. Good starting is a priority for me as I have a tiny battery (Odyssey PC680).
I sold the MS a couple of weeks ago and am currently considering a Link with CAS or a MS parallel install.

you do realize that your MS has a vacuum hose connected to it right?

I have a 99 motor on 1.6 electronics that starts perfectly, every time, instantaneously. I can post the screen shots later if you don't search here and find them first.

I've heard dyno tuners mention that they can't get as much power out of a Link, compared with an MS.

Absolutely true, but my main goal is a good running engine, not peak horsepower. My car is only 1350lbs, so 150rwhp is plenty.

Interesting, I'll start searching :).

Frank, if you use a CAS of a 90-97, it will start very fast, like stock or quicker. Mine used to start very fast on MS1/96 CAS.

Jim

That's probably the way to go then. I just hate the slow starting.
Funny, after spending so much time making a MS2E on stock sensors, I would be going back to a CAS setup.
Time to go digg into the MS1 threads I guess.

Do you feel your car behaves differently after going to stock sensors (besides the starting)? IOW, was it worth it?

Hi Frank,

or maybe the DIYPNP is the way to go - because the microsquirt module used can read the OEM sensors even without the extra "Abe's circuit".

Greets

Before I ditched the IAC, my car started like stock - cold, hot, didn't matter. I could reach in from the passenger side on a 40 degree morning, hit the key, and it would fire right up.

Sounds to me like the MS firing the coils. If a fuel injector leaks when the pump primes, and MS fires the coils at key position 2 as is the default, then you get that noise. There's a setting in your cranking and startup somewhere (I forget which table) that lets you add a delay to the pump priming to avoid this.

Edit - NM, just saw you found it.

Sven, is that bad starting because of the extra circuits? I thought it was something in the software code.

Savington, it seems only 99-00 on stock sensors have problems.

I honestly don't know, maybe we should ask Ben who is doing the DIYPNP install on a 99-00 right now and has it up and running.

Greets

just FYI I have a magnetic style CAS that is set up to do a sync pulse if you want it. Just have to find the plug that replaces it...

Digging up an old thread here. I've played with the settings *a lot* and I have it starting after about 4 cycles. I still plan on installing a CAS, but I stupidely threw one away a while back, duh.
Anyone with a 99 on stock sensors that starts better than this? I so, what prime / cranking settings (and injector size) are you running ?

Every stock '99 I've seen takes too long to start.

I added a cranking indicator in TS and noticed that when cranking, it only comes on after 2-3 cycles. Once the indicator is on, the car starts immediately.
Does MS do this in other modes (CAS) as well? I'm starting to think there is an error in the '99 code.

It takes a fair amount of time to sync to the wheel. I've noticed this on mine too. It does take far greater time that the stock ECU or than my previous MS1 with a NA CAS.

Dimitris

Is it because the stock ecu fires in batch and only runs sequential when the engine fires up.

Means it doesn't have to wait to sync.

I asked if this feature could be added to speed up my starts but got the answer it can but no-one else has asked for it.