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hustler 03-26-2018 06:23 PM

Sync Loss Errors at 3500
 
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Does this look like a crank sensor alignment issue or something else? I only get the issue at ~3500 rpm. The 99 crank sensor is a credit-card thickness from the tooth, maybe I need to pick up new feelers since the old ones were lost int he move. I'm guessing the swap between going high and low tells the story.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1522102967
Thanks for the help.

Savington 03-26-2018 06:42 PM

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DNMakinson 03-26-2018 09:55 PM

Did you get lost? This is not the cycling section.

hustler 03-26-2018 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1474100)
Did you get lost? This is not the cycling section.

[Insert Mel Gibson quote here]

18psi 03-26-2018 10:27 PM

:rofl:

Reverant 03-27-2018 02:45 AM

Does it happen both when warm and cold?

pdexta 03-27-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 1474122)
Does it happen both when warm and cold?

Not to threadjack, but I've been having intermittent sync loss on my 2000 miata when the car is cold (below ~70c water temp). Does the car being cool indicate a specific issue?

It seems like it usually happens under light acceleration and I typically get somewhere between none and 5 counts until the car warms up. I keep messing with the crank sensor gap without any luck.

hustler 03-27-2018 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 1474122)
Does it happen both when warm and cold?

Yes. I remember previously that fouled plugs would whack-out the tach on a 1.6, but I believe I now have the tach driven from the CKP. Regardless, I'm changing plugs today, measuring gap on the CKP tomorrow and putting it at .030". I don't know what causes the logger to swap from high to low like that.

aidandj 03-27-2018 10:08 AM

Are the pots adjusted correctly? And space the sensor with a business card. That's close enough.

hustler 03-27-2018 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1474151)
Are the pits adjusted correctly? And space the sensor with a business card. That's close enough.

Pits? Arm pits? Like your av?

I've done the credit card adjustment, no deal.

18psi 03-27-2018 10:25 AM

he meant to say pots. the pots inside the ms. he might be right. doesn't sound like it's a spacing issue, so either it's the unit, the sensor, or the wiring.

id check wiring and pots adjustment first (free)
then replace the sensor

hustler 03-27-2018 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1474155)
he meant to say pots. the pots inside the ms. he might be right. doesn't sound like it's a spacing issue, so either it's the unit, the sensor, or the wiring.

id check wiring and pots adjustment first (free)
then replace the sensor

Thanks a ton. I should note I had no problems before the car sat four years, but open to trying anything at this point.

aidandj 03-27-2018 10:33 AM

Yes pots. What kind of megasquirt is it? If it's an mslabs unit then nvm.

I've got a spare sensor or 2 I could loan you. Would just want it replaced if it fixes it.

18psi 03-27-2018 10:34 AM

this is hustler you're talking to. ms labs was still swimming in rev's loins when he built this thing ;)

hustler 03-27-2018 10:37 AM

Yep, ~2012 MSLabs MS3. Thanks for the offer but I think there is a spare sensor somewhere, in some box, from the move. I'm sure it's something super simple I overlooked. I can't remember most of what I need to from so long ago now that I'm a spandex clad bike saddle sniffer.

aidandj 03-27-2018 10:37 AM

Maybe @Matt Cramer or @Ben might have some insight on why the logger flipped like that.

ridethecliche 03-27-2018 11:00 AM

OMG!
The prodigal son hath returned.

Reverant 03-27-2018 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1474160)
Maybe @Matt Cramer or @Ben might have some insight on why the logger flipped like that.

In most cases, it's sensor failure.

hustler 03-29-2018 11:24 AM

Okay, sensor is .030" from crank teefers and I still have the same log, how do I check a CKP if it's faulty when it seems to work well at low RPM rather than high?

18psi 03-29-2018 11:28 AM

borrow known good one and test

hustler 03-29-2018 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1474560)
borrow known good one and test

I think I'll just go on a lunch ride on the bike instead.

Efini~FC3S 03-29-2018 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 1474558)
how do I check a CKP if it's faulty when it seems to work well at low RPM rather than high?


Replace it with a known good one and see if the problem goes away?


EDIT: Whoops, Vlad beat me to it whilst I was taking my sweet time to respond

DNMakinson 03-29-2018 12:01 PM

Seriously, I had similar issues with, I think, the same vintage MS3-Basic. Is it the larger (longer) case version?

I fixed by adjusting the FW filters on the Crank Sensor. I can get you the settings I use when I get home this evening. Changing Sensors did not help. There are no pots to adjust, it uses optical isolation circuit, not VR circuit.

hustler 03-29-2018 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1474571)
Seriously, I had similar issues with, I think, the same vintage MS3-Basic. Is it the larger (longer) case version?

I fixed by adjusting the FW filters on the Crank Sensor. I can get you the settings I use when I get home this evening. Changing Sensors did not help. There are no pots to adjust, it uses optical isolation circuit, not VR circuit.

Thanks.

DNMakinson 03-29-2018 04:53 PM

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hustler 03-29-2018 06:09 PM

Well new sensor and tried the filter with similar and more robust filtering, no dice, still have the same crap. Ugh.

DNMakinson 03-29-2018 09:02 PM

Wow. That’s all I have. Ian (Codrus) had a friend add some capacitors to his input circuits. I don’t recall the details.

hustler 03-30-2018 03:04 PM

Funny, when I switch-off the "check engine light" function, the car works fine. Turn it back on and I lose crank signal. Weird. Car works now.

Braineack 03-30-2018 06:13 PM

lol

hustler 03-30-2018 07:50 PM

Radiator fan works intermittently.

pdexta 04-02-2018 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1474571)
Seriously, I had similar issues with, I think, the same vintage MS3-Basic. Is it the larger (longer) case version?

I fixed by adjusting the FW filters on the Crank Sensor. I can get you the settings I use when I get home this evening. Changing Sensors did not help. There are no pots to adjust, it uses optical isolation circuit, not VR circuit.

Stealing your filter settings fixed the issue with my 2000 with Brain Built MS3X. For me this is a new issue that just started showing up a month or so ago. I assume there's a physical issue with the sensor/wiring somewhere that's causing it, but the filter settings seem to have cured it for now. Thanks for sharing!

codrus 04-02-2018 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by DNMakinson (Post 1474674)
Wow. That’s all I have. Ian (Codrus) had a friend add some capacitors to his input circuits. I don’t recall the details.

We basically disconnected the MS3 HC11 inputs at the connector to the MSlabs board, built new filters, and then rerouted it to a pair of unused pins on the Mazda connector.

Post 98 in my build thread: https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...2/#post1206290

--Ian


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