Tunerstudio is now 40$ or am I missing something?
 

Got a new laptop today and installed the latest version of TS and it won't let me use VE Analyze unless I pay $39.95... did I miss something.. or download a wrong version?

Just wanted to add that I feel it's worth every cent and I support the developers, just confused as I hadn't seen any news of this. Am I the first to download this version???

Hmm....I just reinstalled it last week and didn't run into this. weird

looks like they just updated to version .999 "release candidate" instead of "beta", thats probably why. dont matter to me... i havent even gotten to use it yet but i'd pay $40

http://www.efianalytics.com/TunerStudio/beta/

that business plan usually sounds good "Give it away for free and get everyone hooked, then start charging, yay profit".

I'll probably pay too (i did always wonder why these betas 'expired'), but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.. I understand that what he was giving away has value, but my decision to use it was also on the preconception that it was free.. now i've made some investment in switching over from megatune, so i kind of feel bait-and-switched.

Who knows, maybe he'll make a pretty penny on it. $40 sounds a little high though..

I got the update last night but I denied it because I was in a hurry. No more updates for me!

You can only ignore them for so long before program is disabled, right? I could swear that I have been forced to update in the past or TS wouldn't work at all.

This sucks. Not an expense I had planned on dealing with right now but I guess i'll have to buck up. It is a really good piece of software. Anyone know how many installs you get per 40 bucks?

the website has always said you have to buy it IIRC, but the betas have been free

just like beta testing a video game....

http://tunerstudio.com/index.php?opt...id=5&Itemid=13

note the "buy tunerstudio now!" link that isnt a link... assuming that will become a link once 1.0 is done

I registered (paid) and honestly I think this version runs a lot smoother. I could be crazy and making myself feel better about paying. I don't know. Either way I hope he reinvests the money into making this program even better.

IMO if you consider how cheap MS is and how much money we put into other things, $40 is a drop in the bucket especially for well written tuning software

From all the good things I've heard about tunerstudio, I have no doubt that I'd pay for it in a couple weeks when I install my MS.

I do completely agree. Its just tough when you're used to having your tuning software for free and then all of a sudden its another 40 bucks you weren't planning on spending [which is a lot when you're poor].

Its not like TunerStudio is your only option, megatune still works (or kind of works) if you're really that cheap. Software development takes so much time that i completely understand and i'll definitely pony up when the time comes.

But i'm going to put it off to the very last minute :giggle:

Megatune doesn't work for MS2/3.0.3/sequential. I don't like what Phil Tobin is doing; giving away the program for free first, then charging for it later. He did the exact same thing with Megalogviewer.

At least from what I can tell megalogviewer is free, you just have to deal with the registration pop up thing.

I think it makes sense what he did, give it away for free so there are a lot of people testing the beta giving feedback to make a well rounded and finished product. idk. I just hope this means we can look forward to more features and quicker updates.

I don't see where the problem is - it was always known that thiis the beta stage for free.

And I really think this is not paying out his expenses he had to develop such a beautiful piece of software. I registered yesterday and think I don't mind a single (euro)cent I spend for this...

Let me start by saying that I don't mind paying for useful things and I'm not trying to save $40. So far I have purchased an MS1, an MS2, a DIYPNP, an MS3 and a GPIO; money is not issue. I just wish that he had made it clear from the start that in the future, the software is going to be paid-for. Megalogviewer was always free and there was never even a slight hint that someday it will not be free (as in beer). Personally, I find it unfair for James+Ken+Jean, who have contributed at least as much (if not twice) the time and effort to develop the MS1/MS2/MS3 embedded code, because their code is free (as in speech and as in beer) and they don't even accept donations (I have asked both James and Ken in the past and they have rejected any donations).

I hate "vendor lock-in". Think about it. If Phil decides tomorrow that TS will not work *at all* if not registered, you are fucked. Megatune no longer works with MS2/Extra 3.0.x...

Dimitris

That's what I'm thinking. I'd be screwed. I'm broke as a joke right now. Hopefully that won't happen.

In Phils defence, you really need to understand the term "beta" and "test". A Beta is offered up for free and it's your choice to use it or not - for FREE! Feedback from the betas are then relayed to the developer and improvements are made to future beta versions until the day that a FULL release is made that is 99.9% free of bugs and issues.

How many software packages do you use that are Ver 0.xxx?

Anyway, stump up the $40 - Phil deserves it. The amount of praise just on this forum for TS is exceptional.

Ken likes donations of lunch in exchange for his knowledge. I tried money, beer, and blow and Ken did turn those down.

Being an open source developer myself and an almost exclusive Linux user for 15 years now, I have used more alpha, beta, pre-* and rc-* packages than you can think of. I know what an alpha or beta version is. He should have still made it clear from the beginning that he was going to charge for it when it reached V1.0. We now all depend on this software, I wouldn't mind if MegaTune still worked. Btw I *did* anticipate that this was going to happen, based on my experience with MLV: https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquirt-18/tuner-studio-ms-32303/#13

Dimitris

I can understand all your points of view - I just wanted to say - I spend such an rediciulous amounts of money into this car, these are 40$ well spent.

We actually have a few paypals for donations, but we won't ever require them.

We have one for ms1, one for ms2/extra, and one for ms3.

Ken

I will be paying for it.. I still have Megatune on my laptop, but much prefer Tunerstudio. Well worth the $40

Tunerstudio has helped me tweak some of my off boost cells which would have taken much longer on our dyno and by hand. I sometimes set it up just to work in very specific areas that I am trying to clean up.

Maybe he can start charging us each time we use the software, or maybe each time we open an .msq? How do I transfer licenses from my current notebook computer to the new one?

Kinda like how I just paid sales taxes on a car that was sold three times already in the state? and then I'll have to pay personal propety taxes on it each year!

All paid with money that was taxed when earned. :crx:
Spread the wealth.

You don't have to pay for TS if you use the basic functions (or at least what Phil defines as basic). So with the free version you can still set every parameter and every table in all the firmware versions on MS1, MS2 and MS3. What you don't get are the nice features (mostly).

Regardless of my opinion on this, I think it's been pretty clear from the start (or at least close to it) that there was going to be a cost to TS at one point. What wasn't known was how much and what that would include.

Jean

taxes at work:
http://i40.tinypic.com/m7tc9s.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2dvlst5.jpg
lol at VA plate

Do they really have that kind of salary? Dont you think that car was bought for that senator to vote against health care reform?

I'm going to go hide now.

If I were an elected official, I'd have a pretty badass miata.

hellzzzzzzzz yeah. just buy stock in mazda first, then convince people they have to buy one or the polar bears will die.

My roadster would be Ferrari powered. Painted midnight purple. If I were a politician.

The Bilderberg Group rules the world!

I'm buying right now. This is intro price. It will go up to $50 still well worth it. Especially if you have ever used dataloglab for LINK, and they charge $110 for that software.

I thought your Miata was already pretty badass.

Well I'm a head out to get on a full VE Analyze session before the lights go out. I'll miss you for a few months, until I'm breaded again. :cry:

IIRC, it's only a couple things like VE Analyzer Live (and possibly other features that don't yet exist like a base map generator) that are pay features in the final release. The plan is to have a free version (TunerStudio Lite) that's able to work as good basic tuning software, while with the paid version you get extra awesomeness.

IT lacks a few things like super-clean wiring, a urinal, and a gun-rack.

so , stupid question, were not gonna have to pay 40 per computer ts is on will we?

3 personal computers

ok thats cool, ill get it tonight, or tomarrow then.....

On a nearly related dissaster - My lap top died and ate the email with my registration number for a paid version of Tuner Studio.

I replaced the hard drive but how do I get my registration number for another install ?

Looked in the EFI Analytical/ Tuner Studio site but did not find an email adress :vash:

Thanks

EFI Analytics <philip.tobin A T yahoo.com>

Thanks!!!

sorry about bumping an old thread... this is what came up when I searched.



Im playing in tunerstudio lite right now.... Im wondering what the extra awesomeness is.


I know there is VEAnalize live, 3d tables but what is useful beyond that goes unmentioned?



I don't see mention of it, but does either the lite or full version have a cell trace option for if I do a pull to see where it was through the sweep?

VE analyze live is worth the $40 by itself without a doubt. I have never seen a memory trace through the cells but that sounds like it nice feature, possibly. Why don't you contact Phil Tobin and see if he would be willing to add that. It might already do it and I just don't know about it.

I paid $60 for TS and have installed it numerous times on the few laptops I have cause I'm constantly going back and forth and reinstalling OS's. I've never once bee prompted to repurchase.

So I dunno lol.

Your gauges are also live when looking and changing features in menus. Very helpful when you want to see the exact effect of a change without closing and reopening the menu.

It now also includes WUE autotune.

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think you can use table smoothing on the lite version either.

Read this:

TunerStudio Change Log | tunerstudio.com

Mainly the 11/15/2013 - Summary of Changes for TunerStudio 2.5 part.

this is what logging is for...

LOL

someone doesn't use MLV apparently

I used to have my boost and AFR plots show up as a continuous line so I could look back during a pull if I had the laptop attached and see any spikes that shouldn't be there.

I'd suggest doing to same, otherwise use MLV to look in the past. watching a gauge playback is silly when you can capture the data to a spreadsheet and pick it apart.


something like seen here:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1387301572

I went a step further. I created an identical historgram guage with transparency on top of the histogram that gives target in a different color. Seeing a peak it useful but it's nice to see how far off you were from target as well.

For example, boost target and boost, AFR target and actual AFR, stuff like that. I will post a screenshot of it when I get home if it would help.

that's kinda cool actually.

Can't you save/export dashboards? Post that shit up Chiburbian!

yes.

Wait, in excel? I've been meaning to make those pivot tables in excel for tuning the EMS4, since it take tuning almost any sort of load vs rpm table into a copy -> paste special exercise.

I'll post up when I get home tonight. Forgot to follow thread and didn't see till I got to work today. It's not super pretty but it tells me almost everything I need to know while driving.

No, TunerStudio dashboard.

Ok, here they are.

Brain's are better but this will give you an idea of how did my layering. I bet if you took Brains' dash and added a few of my ideas you would end up with something really nice.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1387558071