WB advice for MS
 

ok, i heard that i can use several kinds (off different make/model cars) to run on MS, but can't find which ones.
any advice would be great. i'm planning on hitting several junkyards tomorrow and would like to know which cars to look for. i'm not trying to be cheap, but i'm low on money and can't quite afford an lc1 right now. specially when i pay like $5 for O2s at the junks.
thanks for the advice.

Julio, I would save your pennies and get a new one. A used WB from a junk yard isn't exactly a safe thing to do. Plus, I am pretty sure you need a controller for it.

oh i thought they'd just plug in and i'd have to set up MS to just read it or whatever. and i'm just doing it because i don't know how good my stocker is.

Your stocker is a narrowband. Not a good idea to tune with that at all. As mentioned in your other post that was double posted :loser:, heh, you need a controller for the wideband O2. You will then run the signal line from the controller to the MS.

AEM UEGOS are a little less expensive than LC1's.

but they're still like $200!!! i ain't got that much. i'm still trying to finish the turbo. but before i get it in, don't i need a WB? or can i just run it for the mean time and copy someone's sheet? (i wonder how smart that'd be)

You sound like a cheap-ass like myself!
Good to hear

Check this link for the vehicles that you will find good 4wire widebands in, here
but you will still need a controller, this one is cheap and good

This is the cheapest that you will find

No way. You no need it. You can spend 200 now, or take the chance of rebuilding your motor for 5x that amount.

Isn't someone here running a JAW with the bosch sensor? That's a pretty big possibility on my to buy list but I think I read somewhere that the LC-1 has a much higher sampling rate.

There are a few people running the JAW. If anyone wants they can buy my burnt out unit if they want to try to fix it.

that is very good info!!! i'll contact JAW dude and see what he says about JAW and MS. thanks.
hey 94mx5red, where are you located? and what is wrong with the unit? does it come with the sensor?
PM with info please.

Check Amazon, they might have those sensors at a better price.

I'm running the JAW 1.03 with the Bosch sensor and VW connector. Works like a champ. I can't comment on the sampling rate.

I recently bought a JAW 1.041 and I'm currently installing it.
I'll make a write up on it here within the week.

1.014 PCB + random parts 42.50
Components ~$17
Bosch Sensor 17014 $53.98(Autozone)

Total for all was about $115.
This doesn't include wire used.

Amazons price is about $51 shipped. I opted for Autozones which was only $54. If you are a SCCA member they will give you a %10 discount if the person is nice or even know what SCCA is. :hustler:

Whats wrong with your LC1 thats stated in your signature?

Nothing. It is just getting moved over to my friends 240sx and thought I would try out the JAW.

I have it completed. Just have to drop it in and connect it to MS.

ok, please let me know how it goes, i really need to get this O2 situation fixed. my turbo's getting antsy.

Honestly, if you've spent enough money to buy a nice car and then to mod it with what seem to be some tastys mods in your signature... why don't you just pony up and buy the right thing?

Is the $100 price difference worth the risk of running the oddball configuration? You've spent this much so far, so just bend over and take it. A good wideband is pretty vital.

I will if needed. Just thought I would try it out for the good of the community.

If it doesn't work out I'll just grab another LC1. I know I lot of the DSM crowd live by the JAW so I don't see how there should be a problem. If it does work out it will provide a cheaper route for others who don't have the extra money to spend on a LC1 or AEM.

If it does fail so badly you get great pics of the carnage and I get a new built motor. Doesn't matter to me which way it goes.

Whoa
Are you dissing DXO for buying a JAW??

Or are you dissing MapaX5 for not having a wideband??

DXO...thanks. i'm sure we will all appreciate it. specially my wallet. lol. it's very rare to find guys like you. i know, i'm one of them. do let me know how it goes. i'll be your second shot at it. lol.

i don't think he is dissing, more like giving advice about how much has been put into either one of our cars and how the actual WB is a necessity. which is what i asked for. however, $50 now, then another $50 or so in a couple weeks is better than $200 at one shot. but i do appreciate yalls honesty. thanks.
i'm gonna try it out BEFORE going turbo to make sure i know the system well, plus i still need to learn MS. then once i'm sure i can hold my own on both systems, jr's getting boosted.
not disregarding the UEGO advice or anything, i just can't afford it.

Yep - all good
I was more about defending the JAW than you:giggle:

From what I've heard JAW have had great feedback, but there's always the LC1 problem threads around.

LC1 Piece of Shit thread as an example.

My motto is dont judge a book by its cover. If the Jaw had been around as long as the LC1, maybe they would be better known, but I'm not sure about writing it off because its $100 cheaper.

So I have my car up and running. And I'm quite happy with the JAW wideband. Sample rate is about right. Tuned all idle with little problems. I give the JAW two thumbs up! :bigtu:

Yep no dissing. Merely pointing out that sometimes it's better just to man up and spend a bit more on the initial purchase. There have been plenty of times I've tried messing around with cheaper alternatives and nearly always regretted not buying the more expensive "right" unit in the end.

Good luck though, I hope you find something nice out for the community.

:)

I hooked the LC1 up in a second bung and to look at the reading differences and I was quite surprised by the accuracy of the JAW. LC1 seemed to update more often and a little faster response, but in MS they are no different. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

Gotcha
+1 on that

thanks DXO i'll contact JAW dude and see what's up.

I always wonder why everyone goes with a LC-1. The PLX is cheaper, doesn't require calibration and as far as I know, it works just as good if not better. Is there a reason that everyone is obsessed with the LC-1 that I don't know about?

I think a lot of it has to do with the LC1 being the one sold by diyautotune. It makes sense to follow the dealer's recommendation when you want to play it safe I guess.

With the JAW I have only noticed one problem so far. When coming out of lean it tends to have some latency but when reading 10-16 AFR it is dead on and updates just as fast as the LC1 did.