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hustler 08-24-2009 05:32 PM

where is the iphone/megatune app?
 
No, seriously. Please tell me that I can log and tune with the iphone.
:giggle:

Joe Perez 08-24-2009 05:38 PM

You've been able to log & tune with a Palm for years. And they're cheap.

p51hellfire 08-24-2009 05:46 PM

I Second that request!!! lol That would be the shit.......

Chris Swearingen 08-24-2009 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 446034)
You've been able to log & tune with a Palm for years. And they're cheap.

Can I log with a treo 700p? And then how do I get the data back to somewhere usable? What triggers the start and stop of the log?

Don't hate me, I cant RTFM at the moment to many other things going on.

Cpt_Slow 08-24-2009 06:03 PM

Shameless plug for an Android app as well...

Joe Perez 08-24-2009 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Swearingen (Post 446042)
Can I log with a treo 700p? And then how do I get the data back to somewhere usable? What triggers the start and stop of the log?

I don't know, I've never used it.


http://www.blessedmemories.net/Palm/PalmLog.htm

http://www.blessedmemories.net/Palm/PalmTune.htm

http://www.blessedmemories.net/Palm/PalmTune2.htm

thesnowboarder 08-24-2009 07:14 PM

the iphone is mac os based, megatune cant run in the mac os on the computers. I don't forsee this happening.

neogenesis2004 08-24-2009 07:40 PM

Megatunix is OSX native....

thesnowboarder 08-24-2009 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by neogenesis2004 (Post 446065)
Megatunix is OSX native....

This is true, i haven't really looked into that very much but from what i read its a huge PITA

neogenesis2004 08-24-2009 08:47 PM

If you are porting something to the iphone that doesn't matter. The point is that the core of the program could run on the phone fairly easily. The interface would need to be brand new anyway.

thesnowboarder 08-24-2009 09:44 PM

I do not have the computer skills to create any kind of software.

Anyone want to make an app? I bet it would sell in the app store fairly easily, i would buy it..

Splitime 08-24-2009 10:18 PM

I don't think enough trend setting wannabies drive MS'd cars...

p51hellfire 08-24-2009 10:22 PM

Well with an unlocked I phone you could do alot..... I really wonder if it's possible some one call up diyautotune lol

FRT_Fun 08-24-2009 11:30 PM

When I get back to the states I will do it. No time right now. Damn terrorists are keepin us busy.

Bryce 08-24-2009 11:40 PM

Screw you guys! I need to tune with my Blackberry Bold!

JustinHoMi 08-25-2009 12:08 AM

I made a little logger that logs to a secure digital card, and fits in an altoids tin. I just leave it in the glove compartment with the serial cable attached. There's an external switch that I flip whenever I want to log something.

It's quite convenient... sometime I'll get some boards printed.

hustler 08-25-2009 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by JustinHoMi (Post 446175)
I made a little logger that logs to a secure digital card, and fits in an altoids tin. I just leave it in the glove compartment with the serial cable attached. There's an external switch that I flip whenever I want to log something.

It's quite convenient... sometime I'll get some boards printed.

for ms? I'll buy.

JustinHoMi 08-25-2009 12:25 AM

Yeah, right now it works with MS-I/Extra. Gonna add MS-II support soon.

Chris Swearingen 08-25-2009 07:20 AM

I will place the first order and offer to beta test for MS-II, I love altoids:laugh:

WestfieldMX5 08-25-2009 08:03 AM

What about windows mobile?

Joe Perez 08-25-2009 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by f_devocht (Post 446239)
I wish someone could get megaview running with ms2extra. Than at least I won't have to drag the laptop around each time I want to change something. In a miata there's enough room to store one, but in my westfield, I don't even have a place to store the papers.

Paaaaaaaaaaalm Tuuuuuuuuuuune.

hustler 08-25-2009 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 446241)
Paaaaaaaaaaalm Tuuuuuuuuuuune.

I've checked all my pockets and I can find no Palm...but I have an iphone.


I may pick one up though. Pics of the ve and spark tables on the palm?

kotomile 08-25-2009 09:15 AM

If the software existed, how would we hook up an iphone to the car? Is there an adapter cable?

Sorry I'm an iphone n00b.

WestfieldMX5 08-25-2009 09:22 AM

never mind

wildfire0310 08-25-2009 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by kotomile (Post 446259)
If the software existed, how would we hook up an iphone to the car? Is there an adapter cable?

Sorry I'm an iphone n00b.


The power/computer cable has a usb at the end. So one would just need a serial to USB

Splitime 08-25-2009 10:03 AM

Asus EeePC and in car and done.

I'll do a post of my overall setup once done.

In car digital dash of sorts and GPS datalogging for track.

ScottFW 08-25-2009 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by wildfire0310 (Post 446281)
The power/computer cable has a usb at the end. So one would just need a serial to USB

Or you could use bluetooth. If you're gonna write a new app, why not? I'm kinda surprised that the iphone crowd would even consider using something as "primitive" as a USB cable.

holy driver 08-25-2009 04:49 PM

I've done a little research on this front and one thing that's a PITA is that the hardware interface for the iPhone is closed. You have to sign up with Apple if you want access to the docs on the port and/or bluetooth hardware (you don't need special access to do phone to phone bluetooth, just for other devices). That said, I'm sure some enterprising folks have got it reverse engineered. It will just then require a jailbroken phone since you'll be accessing the hardware in an unapproved way. I recall that there was one guy working on some kind of iPhoneOS megasquirt software on the ms-extra forums, but I don't know what became of it.

apariah 08-29-2009 12:57 AM

Sorry Hustler, but thats one more reason to go Android. I can use certified apps in the market place, or use third party apps of your design or anyone else without apple or tmobile voiding your warranty. Apples dictating is tiresome

I'm a long time mac using graphic artist masquerading as a mac using sales engineer, but even I'm fed up with Apple demands on how I can use my hardware. ( I bought it, its mine!)

I've considering working on an app for the G1, and other Android enable phones, but again the interface is a bit of an issue. My MSPNP uses a serial connecting. I know some of the other Megasquirter builds offer full USB capability, but the I don't think that applies to the MSPNP. I don't know if any MS supports bluetooth although that would be a great option if things change.

FRT_Fun 08-29-2009 01:06 AM

Reading the above post.. why is it that MS uses a serial connection anyways.. USB ftw.

apariah 08-29-2009 06:36 AM

I don't know for a fact, but I think it is because thats what was common when it was first developed. In addition it was really easy to find an older laptop with a serial port a few years ago. However things have changed. On the non PNP builds I know you can adapt usb, and I would think you could do this to the PNP as well, but you would have to talk to guys at DIYAutotune for that info.


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 448069)
Reading the above post.. why is it that MS uses a serial connection anyways.. USB ftw.


Mach929 08-29-2009 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 446178)
for ms? I'll buy.

this would be something i'd be interested in as well because i'm too lazy to lug my laptop around with me and don't think it's a good idea to leave it in the hot car all day

Joe Perez 08-29-2009 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 448069)
Reading the above post.. why is it that MS uses a serial connection anyways.. USB ftw.

RS-232 is still a very common standard on embedded microcontrollers, largely because it is easy to implement, has very low overhead, and is entirely adequate for the sort of low datarate tasks that these processors typically perform. Both the 68HC908 (MS1) and the 9S12C (MS2) processors natively speak RS232 on dedicated pins, requiring only a simple line driver to interface with the outside world.

USB, by comparison, is somewhat more complex to implement and has a higher overhead, and is thus not commonly seen on processors intended for embedded devices.

There are several low cost single-chip USB interfaces available for use in designs like the MS, and nearly all of them consist of a USB to RS-232 transciever which appears to the host PC as a virtualized COM port, and appears to the microcontroller to be a normal RS-232 terminal. I'm pretty sure that this is how USB is being implemented in the new MS3 design, although the schematic does not seem to be available yet.

kday 08-29-2009 02:12 PM

Writing software for handhelds is a pain in the ass and usually involves buying expensive development kits.

It is not true that iphones run mac os x in any useful sense.

FRT_Fun 08-29-2009 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 448135)
RS-232 is still a very common standard on embedded microcontrollers, largely because it is easy to implement, has very low overhead, and is entirely adequate for the sort of low datarate tasks that these processors typically perform. Both the 68HC908 (MS1) and the 9S12C (MS2) processors natively speak RS232 on dedicated pins, requiring only a simple line driver to interface with the outside world.

USB, by comparison, is somewhat more complex to implement and has a higher overhead, and is thus not commonly seen on processors intended for embedded devices.

There are several low cost single-chip USB interfaces available for use in designs like the MS, and nearly all of them consist of a USB to RS-232 transciever which appears to the host PC as a virtualized COM port, and appears to the microcontroller to be a normal RS-232 terminal. I'm pretty sure that this is how USB is being implemented in the new MS3 design, although the schematic does not seem to be available yet.

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense.
Once I get done with this freaking deployment I am getting back into software dev. a lot of my side projects will hopefully be automotive related :D

Joe Perez 08-29-2009 11:26 PM

Yeah, while a lot of folks seem to view USB as being "simpler" than RS-232 (for reasons that I still don't understand), from an engineering standpoint, both hardware and software, RS-232 is 1,024 times easier to deal with.

apariah 08-30-2009 12:42 AM

I think the problem is most if not all new laptops/netbooks come with usb vs. Serial Rs232. This forces you to use an adapter that may or may not work. Was pretty fortunate, my setup seems to works fine serial, or usb, but I also purchased my adapter through DIY Autotune.


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 448324)
Yeah, while a lot of folks seem to view USB as being "simpler" than RS-232 (for reasons that I still don't understand), from an engineering standpoint, both hardware and software, RS-232 is 1,024 times easier to deal with.


ZX-Tex 08-30-2009 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 446161)
When I get back to the states I will do it. No time right now. Damn terrorists are keepin us busy.

Kill those mofos... no mercy. Fucking extremist religious beliefs FTL.

Sorry, threadjack, back to your regularly scheduled thread.


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