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evank 05-09-2009 08:05 PM

Yet another startup question
 
I'm getting somewhat frustrated, so hopefully the latest glitch is just a product of a simple misunderstanding on my part.

Here's what happens. No matter how much I increase the ASE, my wideband still reads 15.x for the first second or two after the car starts, before settling down to 11-12 where it should be.

That made me think the problem is a too-low fixed MAP setting. But when I increased that, it must've been too much because startup was suddenly very rough.

So what do I need to adjust? Or could there be something else causing the wideband to be slow to react when started?

Zaphod 05-10-2009 01:28 AM

Are you sure you let your WB-O2 enough time to warm up? Until its fully warmed up it gives a reading of close to 14.7 anyway...

Greets

evank 05-10-2009 01:30 AM

Well, when does he get back from lunch? Or is he going straight out for tea?!

- Arthur Dent

(Seriously, I didn't know it needs time to warmup. If true, that explains what's happening.)

evank 05-10-2009 01:45 AM

RTFM'd just now. It states: "Initial Warm-up Time: Less than 20 seconds" .... who knew? (Not me!)

So, from now on, am I supposed to start the electricity, wait a few seconds, and then start the car? Is that what everyone does? Or just start it normally and ignore the lean AFR reading that appears for the first few seconds? Or, perhaps extend the number of seconds that it runs at fixed MAP before idle?

I'm shooting in the dark, so good advice is welcome...

Savington 05-10-2009 01:53 AM

I have mine wired to the Meter fuse, which is supposed to be hot when cranking too. It always shuts off and turns back on when cranking. Ignore the steady reading you get when it first fires up.

evank 05-10-2009 02:02 AM

Now I have to wonder what else I don't know!

For example: if the reading can't be trusted during a cold start, then how are we supposed to know if the start is lean / rich / just right?

Savington 05-10-2009 02:27 AM

Does it fire up, not oscillate, and run smoothly? If so, stop worrying about it. :P

evank 05-10-2009 02:48 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 406791)
Does it fire up, not oscillate, and run smoothly?

Pretty much.

Lately I've become interested (as you can see) in finding the perfect settings.

I suppose I'll re-check this stuff after letting the wbo2 warm up next time.

Braineack 05-10-2009 08:10 AM

play with the all the ASE settings, it has a lot to do with the MAP fixed rate.

Joe Perez 05-10-2009 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by evank (Post 406777)
So, from now on, am I supposed to start the electricity, wait a few seconds, and then start the car?

Nope. Just start the bitch up. Do you really care about having inaccurate readings for the first few seconds of engine operation? Speaking only for myself, I'm typically not making 13+ PSI of boost for at least 20 seconds after the engine is started.



Originally Posted by evank (Post 406782)
For example: if the reading can't be trusted during a cold start, then how are we supposed to know if the start is lean / rich / just right?

How did you know on the stock ECU? You didn't. You just took it on faith that the engineers at Mazda had set it up correctly. So do the same. If you want, let it warm up before you start it a few times and observe / correct if necessary. Then get over it.



Originally Posted by Savington (Post 406791)
Does it fire up, not oscillate, and run smoothly? If so, stop worrying about it. :P

:bigtu:

evank 05-10-2009 10:25 AM

Okay, okay, I'm over it. :-)


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 406791)
not oscillate

What do you mean?

Saml01 05-10-2009 09:44 PM

It takes time for the exhaust to reach the sensor man.

Even if you let it warm up and then start the car, its 1...2..... then you get readings.

evank 05-10-2009 09:54 PM

I think we can safely conclude I didn't know that!

Time to end this thread. :)

N3v 05-11-2009 04:15 AM

hey it takes a sec for the sensor to warm up

sixshooter 05-11-2009 11:59 AM

Hey Evan, I think it takes a minute for that shit to warm up.

evank 05-11-2009 05:23 PM

You're all realllyyyyyy fucking funny. :fawk:


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