Methanol vs Ethanol vs Propanol Injection
Hi All,
I just installed an alchohol-water injection system, and I have been doing some research online. I have seen a few people recommend "Heet", as a substitute for methanol in a pinch. In my research, I found methanol, ethanol and propanol online. Propanol is much less expensive to buy than the other two and, I believe, is the main ingredient in Heet. It has the property of binding to water and is used as a fuel system "dryer". My question is: Is there a reason why methanol is the alchohol of choise in water-alchohol injection systems? I know that methanol is the most simple and basic of the alchohols... Maybe less byproducts in combustion? If so, then why does propanol work? What about ethanol? -George 2006 NC, Begi S3 Turbo at 10psi, 300+ rwhp. |
Methanol might have a higher octane.
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The yellow bottle is 99% methanol. The red bottle (iso-heet) is iso-propanol.
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I also know that when propane is burned, it forms methane. So perhaps, when propanol is burned, it forms methanol?
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Originally Posted by neogenesis2004
(Post 465774)
Methanol might have a higher octane.
The MON of n-heptane and iso-octane are exactly 0 and 100, by definition. The following table lists octane ratings for various other fuels.[4][5][10] Fuel RON MON AKI hexadecane < -30 n-octane -10 n-heptane (MON 0 by definition) 0 diesel fuel 15–25 2-methylheptane 23 n-hexane 25 2-methylhexane 44 1-heptene 60 n-pentane 62 requirement for a typical two-stroke outboard engine[6] 69 65 67 1-pentene 84 n-butanol 87 n-butane 91 "regular" gasoline in US and Canada 91–92 82–83 87 "EuroSuper" or "EuroPremium" 95 85–86 90–91 cyclohexane 97 "premium" gasoline in US and Canada 97-98 88–89 93 "SuperPlus" in Germany and Great Britain 98 89–90 93–94 iso-octane (MON 100 by definition) 100 benzene 101 "BP Ultimate 102"[7] 102 93–94 97–98 t-butanol 103 91 97 ethane 108 propane 110 toluene 111 95 103 E85 gasoline 105 xylene 117 isopropanol 118 98 108 ethanol 129 102 116 methanol 133 105 119 methane 135 122 129 hydrogen* > 130 very low[8] |
Propanol as in isopropyl alcohol? Isopropyl alcohol dissolves oil and toluene. Oil coats the cyl walls and toluene is an octane additive found in gas.
I'm out of my league, so can't comment on if there's real world implications here. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 465837)
Propanol as in isopropyl alcohol? Isopropyl alcohol dissolves oil and toluene. Oil coats the cyl walls and toluene is an octane additive found in gas.
I'm out of my league, so can't comment on if there's real world implications here. It's the ingredient in "Heet". |
Originally Posted by MXGeorge
(Post 465838)
Hey Ben,
It's the ingredient in "Heet". |
Originally Posted by wes65
(Post 465839)
When people say to use Heet for methanol in a pinch, they are talking about the yellow bottle which is actually methanol. Not iso-propyl.
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Originally Posted by MXGeorge
(Post 465838)
Hey Ben,
It's the ingredient in "Heet".
Originally Posted by MXGeorge
(Post 465841)
Yeah, but the red bottle is still used in the gas, so if it effs up toluene, why?
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Ok, I think that I'm convinced. Methanol and 50% distilled water it is!
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I use straight Heet and thats it. Its worked awesome and at 1.50 a bottle, its not break the bank expensive
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That's just silly. A 1:1 ratio of heet:water will basically cut cost in half and work better.
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I just run straight water...
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It was about $50 for a 5 Gallon container of 99.8% methanol. Heet works out to be about twice as much as that, but will certanly do in a pinch.
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Originally Posted by leatherface24
(Post 465890)
I use straight Heet and thats it. Its worked awesome and at 1.50 a bottle, its not break the bank expensive
Originally Posted by MXGeorge
(Post 465990)
It was about $50 for a 5 Gallon container of 99.8% methanol. Heet works out to be about twice as much as that, but will certanly do in a pinch.
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Another thing about ethanol is that it has to be denatured somehow (usually an additive) in order to avoid the alcohol tax. That probably makes it more expensive than methanol.
I worked as a tech in a biology R&D lab way back when and we used ethanol to sanitize everything. It was all denatured with some kind of sulphur compound IIRC to avoid the tax, and to keep people from making punch with it. Supposedly consumption would cause nausea. Whenever it flashed off of a surface, it left a very fine, very light residue. 'Pure' alcohol does not do that. |
IPA has less octane, and is basically the least of the alcohols for what a kit is gonna do for you. IF its all you can get, use it, but know that you will need to use more to get the same affect as methanol.
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