curly

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I installed a 1st gen MSPNP 9093 in a friend's '90 (intercooled greddy with RX-8 425s, if that makes a difference) using an AEM failsafe WB/boost gauge combo, cause he liked the idea of less gauges.

AEM Electronics Wideband Failsafe Gauges 30-4900 - SummitRacing.com

It's reading correctly on the gauge, and it is kinda cool, cause the outer ring can display in LEDs either boost or AFR, and the inner readout can display either boost or AFR. Neat!

However, we CANNOT get the MSPNP to read ANYTHING. Both Tunerstudios and Megatune are configured to be reading a AEM uego, and both are stuck on 9.72 afr (gauge 2 is stuck on 8.84 if that matters). We have tried using both the center connector pin 10 WB input, and using the stock NB for WB input. Either way, the gauge NEVER budges.

Note: the gauge also has a 0-5v MAP output.

I've used my multimeter and confirmed that the white wire delivers a 0-5v signal, so does the yellow MAP output wire. Neither have made the gauges in TS or MT budge.

I recently took it apart to replace the transistor that blew when the PO left the ST fuse in. The fuel pump now briefly primes upon powering up as it should. I did notice the ECU was modified to accept a VTPS. These modifications were made:


What am I missing?

Braineack

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are you using the correct pin 10?

I'm suggesting you counted from the wrong side/row.

curly

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Here are the gauge's wiring instructions. As you can see, the brown wire is setup to output a NEGATIVE 0-5v, and according to the instructions, it appears that an AEM ECU uses both the -5-0v signal (brown) and 0-5v signal (white) in combination to get a clear signal. Perhaps to filter out noise?

According to the instructions, "The brown wire should be connected to an analog ground input for best results. If the [MS] does not have an analog ground input, the brown wire should be connected to a sensor ground. If no sensor ground is available, the brown wire should be connected to a power ground."

So, since the MS doesn't have a analog ground input, I take that as saying the brown wire should be grounded. During our testing the brown wire was at one point hooked into the MS, would this blow anything up?

Our final testing had the brown wire grounded to the chassis, and we were trying everywhere to get the white wire to send a signal to the MS. Wasn't happening.

curly

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In this photo, it is the bottom row, 2nd one from the left, correctly? Top row is 1-8, bottom row is 9-16?

And, even if I were using the incorrect wire, why would the stock NB wire not work? Is that why there is a AFR and AFR2 gauge? We were looking at both during all the testing.

Braineack

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brown wire should go to a black/lt green wire.

Braineack

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I'm acutally not sure if that's looking at the connector as pictured, or from the backside at the wires. Easiest check would be to check with a multimeter, but less smarter people than you have figured it out.

curly

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So the negative output signal should go to the black/lt green wire of the MS? Is it easier to just vampire tap into the connector by the MS, or go through the firewall to the NB o2 wire?

Actually, I looked at the back of the connector, and grabbed the 2nd from the left of the bottom row.

Using the description I typed in post #4, that would be pin 15.

curly

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Oh, and a log showing the stoic 9.72 AFR.

akbloom

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check out this diagram for how to count the pins. I _think_ you're doing it backwards. Try counting from the back of the plug.

Braineack

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if that's the case then:





It's not a "negative output," as much as it's a sensor ground. The Black/Lt green wires are sensor grounds, meaning all the sensors (TPS, CAS, ETC) are grounded THROUGH the ECU and not directly to the frame/chassis/block. It must be connected in order to recieve data through the two, white and yellow, outputs.

curly

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Ok, so I'll tap the brown into the black/green wires, and according to your expertly drawn wiring diagram above, I was using the correct pin 10. I still feel like the gauge should have budged.

Any other ideas?

Braineack

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the controller is displaying the correct but MS is not showing correct, correct?

curly

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Yes, controller is reading awesome AFRs for a turbo car, smoothly from mid 15s to mid 11s in boost. Car feels amazing.

MS reads 9.72 and not a .0000000001ths change in all our testing.

curly

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Here's the current .msq if that helps.

I've changed the TS project properties to AEM's wideband, and the Exhaust Gas Settings to wideband. In MegaTune I used the configurator to set it to AEM's gauge, and changed the same settings in Exhaust Gas Settings as above. AFAIK, those are the only software related changes required.