Hahah dammit you got me.

As someone who bought a set of 8 on ebay to split with a friend, and now has a lumpyish idle likely due to one injector being way out from the others... Spend the extra $80 or whatever it works out to....

guess i shouldn't feel too bad about the ev1 flowmatched 540cc injectors I installed.. at least they are flow matched, and at $80 shipped the price was right. when i blow up my oem engine, i will rebuild for a higher hp goal, with more $$$, but i cannot afford to do it right the first time.

EV1 is utter crap

You should most definitely feel bad about running 540cc crap.

They're not even able to be matched as close as 14's because at a certain point they can't even decrease pulsewidth, because they were made in the dinosaur era.

Don't do it at all ? :dunno:

Pickup some FF injectors. Win at life.

Budgeting and creating a realistic timeline is also important. Damn... do you have any additional resources that support your criticisms? I do understand the technology is old, but from my research in finding comparisons between ev1, ev6, and ev14 i found a lot of qualitative analysis but not much quantitative data. I'm all about data. So i asked the big HP guys and was told ev1 is fine and the difference in HP would be maybe 1-2% if your lucky. So long as you have quality flow matched ev1 injectors. And this wasnt the person I purchased the injectors from lol

take peak power numbers, and throw it away.
nothing frustrates me more than when people say:
"do I really need xxx ecu and xxx injectors for ONLY 200hp?"
better technology is better at everything, at all times. peak power numbers are irrelevant and anyone bringing that up in a discussion about good injectors or ecu is a mor0n. it's about startup, idle quality, throttle tip in, cruising loads, etc etc etc. you can run a stock 90's car on 90's technology, but when you heavily modify it, you need modern technology to achieve good outcomes, because you're altering numerous things and increasing output. so either you run junk and suffer bad efficiency, or you pay for good stuff and enjoy the benefits.

he's what I'm saying in a nutshell, cause I'm not digging up data I collected in 2008 on my '00 miata when I wasted time on ev1's for all of a week or two:

they're old. they're not designed for efficient low pulsewidths. they can't open and close fast enough to control a stable 14.7AFR smoothly and efficiently. so you either run em fat and throw away efficiency for smoothness, or vice versa. often you can't even go vice versa because they'll cause misfires. the bigger you go, the worse it gets.

Do they work? sure. for most people that's good enough. but that's a far cry from work good/efficient.

You aren't budgeting.
You are trying to cheap out as much as you can.
This is going to cost you quality and performance in the short term and money in the long term when you eventually do it right or have to sell your non-running pos.

this guy knows

Naw, its still budgeting. ;~P

Running perfect 14.7 idle. Great tip in response. Was really hoping for data but flaming is really what I expected. Thanks yall!

Ya'all are really riding the MT.net train real hard right about now.

Heaven forbid you find out dudeman isn't running Xidas. Or an EFR.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6f410790aa.jpg

Let's see logs of perfect, since you're so scientific.

and I, likewise, expected questioning collective wisdom and experience, expectations to dig up and spoon feed data, and moaning about it should the hard work not be provided on a silver platter.

this isn't m.net. we're not gonna go do your research for you just because you don't believe ours

big difference between a 2k set of xidas and 300 set of injectors.

It's 300 vs 150 to go from jank to legit. I've even seen numerous sets in the classifieds for 200

:dealwithit:

Hey i'm not about that EV1 life, I have EV14s.

But he clearly said he paid $80, and i've personally run many sets of EV1s that idled just fine at even low 15s AFRs. It's not WRONG, it's just that there's better options if you choose to spend the money, and that's really it. We all drove, modified, and tuned cars for years before EV14s existed.

Again, EV14s are better, but the MT.net witch hunt is a bit blown out of proportion in this case.

It's not a witch hunt. It's a standard. The actual standards will always be lower than the set bar. You let n00bs read in various threads that "EV1 is OK" and suddenly "EV1 is the hotness".

I don't even know why I try anymore. Those that wanna be cheap and use junk will continue to do so, regardless of logic.

I'll just stop caring. :)

That's my boy!

people today, still read my threads from 2006 and take it as gospel...

​​​​​​​I thought you were infallible.

the times have changes, and trends moved on, but the the spirit of youth i still carry on.

Is that a Corky Bell quote?