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Fireindc 02-12-2007 02:10 PM

Gas smell.
 
Ever since the install ive had a small gas smell after driving around a bit.

Do you think my a/f are rich? Im guessing thats what the "gas smell" would be.

If yall think im rich i can try turning up the boost a psi or two and see if it makes the smell go away, let me know what you think.

Braineack 02-12-2007 02:17 PM

turn the car to ON.

jump F/P and GND in the diag. box.

take a wrench to the fuel return line and clamp down.

watch as fuel sprays all over...fix.

Fireindc 02-12-2007 02:26 PM

Im pretty sure the smell is more of really gassy smelling exhaust fumes is why i think it is a rich mixture.

So, you are saying when the fuel pump is on its leaking out of the return line?



Im sorry, im trying to comprehend what you are saying here:

Jump the fuel pump and ground to a power source.

Take a wrench to the fuel return line, clamp it down.

See where the fuel sprays out.

Fix where it sprays.

Thats what i got from it, im going to take a look right now.

Braineack 02-12-2007 02:32 PM

yes, that's what im saying....i think you have a leak in boost. I have yet to smell gas fumes with just a super rich mixture...and I've run 9:1 before.

Fireindc 02-12-2007 02:33 PM

Alllright, ill look that over. Thanks for the tips.

miataspeed1point6 02-12-2007 02:42 PM

Do you have a BOV venting to atmosphere? After a hard run my car smells like gas because of it. Just for a short while and not that bad, but you said yours was after driving. Not sure if its the case, but just a thought.

Fireindc 02-12-2007 02:53 PM

HMMMM, that could be a very good point.

Yeah its VTA, and the vent is upwards pointing towards the hood.

It is a very feint gas smell, and usually goes away pretty soon- if i cant find a leak anywhere ill just assume thats it.

jayc72 02-12-2007 02:56 PM

When my car had an exhaust leak at the manifold and was running super rich I could smell the gas from the exhaust.

Fireindc 02-12-2007 03:05 PM

Yeah, im pretty sure theres no exhaust leak. When i did have one(where the turbo met the mani) it was very loud, and boost came super late.

When i hit boost it sounds more like a sportbike, high pitched and really clean sounding.

jayc72 02-12-2007 03:17 PM

I couldn't really hear my exhaust leak. But I did spool slower and wasn't able to boost very high (7-8psi).

Fireindc 02-12-2007 03:22 PM

Hmm im doubting it is an exhaust leak, but you got me worried =/.

Perhaps ill put a baloon or a condom over the bov and after i fill it up smell it =P.

Ahaha that would be too funny.

Braineack 02-12-2007 03:30 PM

whatever works ;)

Arkmage 02-12-2007 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 81959)
Hmm im doubting it is an exhaust leak, but you got me worried =/.

Perhaps ill put a baloon or a condom over the bov and after i fill it up smell it =P.

Ahaha that would be too funny.

I vote for condom... take a picture to post when people ask "safe boost" questions.

jayc72 02-12-2007 03:40 PM

Ummm... how could the smell of gas come from the BOV? It's up stream of the injectors and throttle body. Any of the air it vents shouldn't contain gasoline. It should be venting anything from the TB to the turbo.

Unless of course it's an Australian model and runs backwards.

Fireindc 02-12-2007 03:46 PM

Hmm, im not really sure.

Ill let you know when i do the condom test if i can smell gas, haha.

jayc72 02-12-2007 03:59 PM

Please for the love of god video tape it when you do.

Fireindc 02-12-2007 04:03 PM

Haha, i should. I think im just gonna get a pic or two.

Lol, i can see it now- im on the side of the road with a 4 foot long blown up condom coming out of my engine bay.

I can use different brands and pressure test them for durability, ill be rich!

SAEMotorsports 02-12-2007 11:03 PM

I have the same problem....I can't run the heater on fresh air....recycled only.

not sure where the fumes are coming from but very interested in what you would find out.

it's exhaust fumes not raw gas fumes.

bripab007 02-12-2007 11:08 PM

SAE, did you remove the gasket/weather-stripping between your hood and cowl, by chance?

Can't think of any other way fumes are getting into your HVAC blower.

Trent 02-12-2007 11:11 PM

Yeah, I've been living with the smell for months. It gets old when you smell like a gas station wherever you go. :(

jayc72 02-12-2007 11:11 PM

Take a length of vaccuum hose that's about 2ft long. Stick one end in your ear and use the other end to probe around all the flanges. It'll be really obvious if you have an exhaust leak.

If you are smelling raw exhaust from under the hood it stands to reason that you might have an exhaust leak. :)

SAEMotorsports 02-12-2007 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by Brian (Post 82137)
SAE, did you remove the gasket/weather-stripping between your hood and cowl, by chance?

Can't think of any other way fumes are getting into your HVAC blower.

yeah I did remove the seal.........good point.

I just wish I would've saved it now.
:eek:

miataspeed1point6 02-12-2007 11:41 PM

When the BOV vents, the car runs rich. When it runs rich it smells like gas. No gas should be coming from the BOV, not sure where. I'm pretty sure its the exhaust but I'm not sure where that smell comes from.

Braineack 02-13-2007 12:03 AM

no check valve on the Charchol Cansiter?

bripab007 02-13-2007 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by SAEMotorsports (Post 82160)
yeah I did remove the seal.........good point.

I just wish I would've saved it now.
:eek:

Yup, there's a reason Mazda put it there ;)

KMag 02-13-2007 11:19 AM

It took me a bit to find my leak. Not to say that you have one, but mine was so small, that the gas would evaporate before it would drip. It was just small enought that you could smell it. Turned out out to be the hose clamps were not stong enough to hold the pressure.

Kmag

Arkmage 02-13-2007 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 82184)
no check valve on the Charchol Cansiter?

bingo... that's a very likely candidate.

Fireindc 02-13-2007 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 82184)
no check valve on the Charchol Cansiter?

Thats it.

I never put one on, so boost is going into the canister...

Hmm is there an easy fix for this, that doesnt require getting a check valve? Seems i could just remove the whole thing (no emissions here) and cork off the vac lines that were used, or just use them for something else instead of ting off of one.

bripab007 02-13-2007 12:52 PM

Seems like a $2 check valve and a pair of scissors with which to install it is pretty much the very definition of an "easy fix."

Fireindc 02-13-2007 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Brian (Post 82309)
Seems like a $2 check valve and a pair of scissors with which to install it is pretty much the very definition of an "easy fix."

Thats true, but id rather rip it out and save 5 lbs since i dont need it, haha.

If i were to just rip it out and either plug or use the vac lines it was using for something else, would that work?

Ill most likely fix it, in case i need to pass emissions one day...

jayc72 02-13-2007 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 82314)
Thats true, but id rather rip it out and save 5 lbs since i dont need it, haha.

If i were to just rip it out and either plug or use the vac lines it was using for something else, would that work?

Ill most likely fix it, in case i need to pass emissions one day...

From doing a little research on m.net I found that a lot of people complained of smelling gas fumes after removing the charcoal canister. Ironic isn't it? I haven't removed mine, so I can't speak from experience so take what I say with a grain or two of salt.

Jay

kotomile 02-13-2007 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 82288)
and cork off the vac lines that were used.

don't close 'em, loop 'em.

Arkmage 02-13-2007 08:52 PM

if you loop them arn't you connecting your fuel tank to a vacuum source? seems like that could suck through fuel in corners (slosh) and make ya run uber rich.

Fireindc 02-14-2007 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Arkmage (Post 82561)
if you loop them arn't you connecting your fuel tank to a vacuum source? seems like that could suck through fuel in corners (slosh) and make ya run uber rich.

Yeah, that seems probable. Im just going to one way valve it, but i couldent find one yesterday when i went looking. I went to ACE and Checkers.

Gonna give autozone a try tomarrow.

Arkmage 02-14-2007 02:01 PM

you can get them in the fish tank section of walmart, petco, etc. they will be labeled as check valves for fish tank air pumps. usually between $0.60-$2.50 depending on quality and components. Plan on replacing them once a year since the gas fumes will eat them up.

Braineack 02-14-2007 02:25 PM

HELP! section of autozone or advanced or pepboys.

Fireindc 02-14-2007 05:05 PM

Alllright, thanks a ton guys.

kotomile 02-14-2007 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Arkmage (Post 82561)
if you loop them arn't you connecting your fuel tank to a vacuum source? seems like that could suck through fuel in corners (slosh) and make ya run uber rich.

loop the hardlines together, the vacuum on top of the canister is eliminated.


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