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Jeff25rs 03-03-2009 02:27 PM

Going above 6psi - noob question.
 
I've searched but haven't found anything definitive but I just wanted to check with you guys.

If I want to go above 6psi on my Begi Series 1 I will need a new fuel pump, injectors, and something like MS (Currently using the rising rate fuel pressure regulator from Begi). That sound about right?

pdexta 03-03-2009 02:55 PM

I think just a megasquirt and injectors would take care of it. My stock fuel pump hasn't had any problems yet.

skidude 03-03-2009 02:56 PM

My pump doesn't seem to have any trouble with 13psi and MS.

levnubhin 03-03-2009 02:59 PM

MS and injectors, pump SHOULD be ok.
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Jeff25rs 03-03-2009 04:22 PM

I thought the stock pump couldn't go above 70-80psi and you would need 100psi or so at 7-8 psi of boost.

...or is that just dealt with by having a longer pulse?

<- :noob:

therieldeal 03-03-2009 05:05 PM

if you switch to a MS, you would eliminate that FPR and go back to the stock one. to hit 70psi of fuel pressure you'd need to be running almost 27psi of boost.

pdexta 03-03-2009 05:44 PM

Bigger injectors allow you to get more gas to the motor at the same fuel pressure.

hustler 03-03-2009 05:48 PM

my fuel pump shit the bed at 197whp...actually a ways before that. I put in a walbro 255 and it will make it over 300whp on the stock shit.

I have a spare, new 190plh if you want to buy that fucker.

Jeff25rs 03-04-2009 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 376970)
my fuel pump shit the bed at 197whp...actually a ways before that. I put in a walbro 255 and it will make it over 300whp on the stock shit.

I have a spare, new 190plh if you want to buy that fucker.

How much?

pdexta: thanks that makes sense.

So the MSPNP seems like a massive amount of work and money that I can't commit right now do you guys think it would be reasonable to just do a piggy back like the voodoo box if I don't want to go above 180hp or so for now?

ThePass 03-04-2009 03:39 PM

no because that will mean using your fuel pressure regulator and do you really think you want to run 100+ psi in your fuel lines... your stock 100k or more miles fuel lines?

I mean shit, I ran my 12:1 FPR for 5 or so months with 6 psi and felt pretty uneasy about how much pressure the fuel was at... no worries about it now as I just put the 460's in and removed the FPR.

Braineack 03-04-2009 03:41 PM

I'd be much more concerned about what the stock ecu does with all that fuel once you hit open loop mode.

Rafa 03-04-2009 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff25rs (Post 377412)
How much?

pdexta: thanks that makes sense.

So the MSPNP seems like a massive amount of work and money that I can't commit right now do you guys think it would be reasonable to just do a piggy back like the voodoo box if I don't want to go above 180hp or so for now?

Jeff; what would be the price of the Voodoo box? Be on the lookout for used MSs. It will be more than worth your effort.

ThePass 03-04-2009 04:15 PM

bandaids are the antithesis to someone trying to get a well running quick miata.

hustler 03-04-2009 04:19 PM

mspnp is pretty fucking easy, especially with all the support here. If you can't figure it out, then you're a Down's baby and we don't need you here...thintheherd.txt

Jeff25rs 03-04-2009 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Rafa (Post 377496)
Jeff; what would be the price of the Voodoo box? Be on the lookout for used MSs. It will be more than worth your effort.

voodoo is $400 or so
a MSPNP is $700. I know you can find the non-PNP MS for $400 but I'm not sure how much extra work those would be.

Also do you guys have any recommendations on injectors. I was looking at the 460cc rx-7 injectors. Also any recommendations on where to purchase said injectors from?

Savington 03-04-2009 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff25rs (Post 377412)
So the MSPNP seems like a massive amount of work and money that I can't commit right now

30 minutes of installation, 20 minutes of which is running a single vacuum line, and a couple hours on a dyno is 'a massive amount of work'? :jerkit:

Jeff25rs 03-04-2009 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 377509)
30 minutes of installation, 20 minutes of which is running a single vacuum line, and a couple hours on a dyno is 'a massive amount of work'? :jerkit:

That doesn't seem bad. I just glanced at this manual and it looked like a giant fucking wall of text:

MegaSquirtPNP by DIYAutoTune.com

Braineack how much would it cost me to get one of your MS setups? I'm not entirely sure what options I would need. (I think I would go with the stand alone with a/c?)

Rafa 03-04-2009 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff25rs (Post 377505)
voodoo is $400 or so
a MSPNP is $700. I know you can find the non-PNP MS for $400 but I'm not sure how much extra work those would be.

Also do you guys have any recommendations on injectors. I was looking at the 460cc rx-7 injectors. Also any recommendations on where to purchase said injectors from?

Yes but, that's a new MS. I sold my MS for 96/97 for something like $550 if I remember well. I mentioned a used MS because I see some forum members buying the new Adaptronic ECUs so I figure, maybe some deal will come up.

XCLR8TN 03-17-2009 11:50 AM

Hmm. subscribed for future reference

Stein 03-17-2009 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff25rs (Post 376815)
I've searched but haven't found anything definitive but I just wanted to check with you guys.

If I want to go above 6psi on my Begi Series 1 I will need a new fuel pump, injectors, and something like MS (Currently using the rising rate fuel pressure regulator from Begi). That sound about right?

In all of the posts I see no mention of an intercooler. It is needed above 6 psi. Oh, and a clutch.


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