hmm lumpy idle after friend touched throttle
 

hey, i was idling perfect at 850-860rpm, just about to set my timing and my friend hops in the seat and taps the gas, now the idle is really lumpy. up-down-up-down and such. I have emb, 305 cc injectors, afpr, ****'s IC. On the emb i have the injectors set at 205/230 since ive heard that was the most normal idle. can you help? what might i be missing?

You took the jumper out of the diag box? I would look for vacuum leaks as well. Do you have a wideband?

Friends shouldn't let friends...........

no wideband, i dont went over the vacuum hoses and didnt see any problems. It started doing the lumpy idle before i put the jumper in the box.

arent you supossed to transverse the 205/230? I thought I read about people doign that somewhere.


I'd check for vacuum leaks. Wideband?

I dont have wideband. I dont see any problem with any vac hoses... ill go over it again. So your saying i should put in 230/205 instead of 205/230? also for the emanage im using phillips 8psi map.

I like how you think:bigtu:

You can try it....I remember reading about problems with the 305cc idling.

Here's the post:

https://www.miataturbo.net/forums/sh...ighlight=305cc

i tried reversing it from 205/230 to 230/205 and it helped a little bit. but after taking off the filter and putting my hand on the end of the afm it doesnt seem to have any suction at all, and very little when we hit the throttle. maybe a leak?

I'd can't remember off hand exactly what I set the correction at. I tuned it at idle with a WBO2. I'm using the 310cc injectors and an RX7 AMF. I had to richen it up significantly to get it to idle properly I think I ended up something like 260/205 or maybe it was 280/205. Either way idle and cruise are perfect. AFR under boost seems to be nice as well.

Jay

hmm, i dont have an RX7 AMF or WBO2 but i guess ill try that 260/205 or 280/205. The thing is even off of idle its surging between 600-900rpm... when i gave it some throttle it would come back down and then stall. When i tried 310/205 which gave me ~1.3xx it seemed to be a decent idle but then after giving it some throttle it would stall...

try going back to 205/205

Sorry I should have been more clear. With just the 310cc injectors I ran 205/230. Once I added in the RX7 AFM I had to go change it to 260-280/205.

Sorry about that.

You you have a BOV not rerouted? Maybe its being pulled open at idle?

you really need to put a vacuum gauge on there

duct tape the bitch closed to see

alrite, i set the injectors to 205/305 which gave me .672 and it idles! its right around 850 give or take, doesnt sound the greatest but its there. the problem now is when i give it some throttle it seems to hang around 1100 before coming back down to idle... any suggestions?

also upon revving it it seems to hiccup, it will go up and then bog and then go up again. same surging like when it was idling but now it only does it if i hit the throttle, it seems to rev up to about 2000 then gets cut then revs again and gets cut. over and over and over.....

You have a vacuum leak. Check the nipple on the firewall side of the intake manifold. Also check the PCV hose. I think you have air getting in somewhere after the throttle causing the revs to go up. The ECU commands the IAC duty cycle down and the Revs drop to normal levels. THe Ecu commands the IAC to run at normal duty cycle again since normal idle and throttle position are seen. Its a vicious cycle.

And check that BOV:nono:

it totally sounds like vacuum leak, but I had a mystery like this happen to my car and it turned out to be my tps connector had popped off.

prolly no help but, worth a look.

well the car will idle now, no problem there, but when i hit the gas it goes up to about 2000rpm and then gets cut back down, even with my foot on the gas.

Blow off valve?

ill go tighten the bov all the way and try it

Tigten it? Your best bet to eliminate it as a possible source of a vacuum leak is to seal it with duct tape.

Jay

Is it vented to atmosphere? If it is, cover the outlet while its running.

ok ill try that right now, but heres a video i uploaded of the problem im having.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUZhR5artkw

tried covering the bov opening with duct tape, still did nothing, at the same time i checked the pcv and covered that with tape and also the one on the other side, both arent leaking. ...... edit- this may sound dumb but do you think the soft cut rev limiter in the emanage might be on? how do i set it?

just a guess check to see your vortech is not backwards
afm plugged in
timing not waaaay off
still there a lot of places vacuum can leak

maybe give us more specifics on your setup

Closed throttle switch stuck?

wheres that?

heres how my afpr is hooked up, its the JR one. this is the view if you look straight down at the hardlines Attachment 217330

FMU is correct, assuming the "red" line is going to the OEM FPR.

Seems like something to do with the AFM or EMB baes on the video.

do you think one of you could make me an 8psi map? maybe the one im using is bunk. heres my set up- 305cc green top injectors, 255lph hi pressure pump, **** IC, Tony DP.

may have way too much fuel with those injectors and the 255 pump