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SMRACER 05-24-2007 03:24 PM

How much timing at 14 psi
 
Assuming I have A/F ratio around 12:1 or better how much timing advance would it be safe to run at around 14 to 15 psi? Thanks.

curly 05-24-2007 04:46 PM

how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

as much as is needed to avoid knock. safe? probably around 4, 5 degrees? depends on temp and a few other conditions. make sure your muffler bearing is well greased though...

Braineack 05-24-2007 06:11 PM

total advance? intercooled? controlling device?

MiazdaBLUE 05-24-2007 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 116948)
how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

as much as is needed to avoid knock. safe? probably around 4, 5 degrees? depends on temp and a few other conditions. make sure your muffler bearing is well greased though...

:gay:

samnavy 05-24-2007 10:56 PM

On some of the stuff below, maybe 12* advanced or more. Just be sure to remove your cat first. Truthfully, there are too many variables. We need more info about your setup. But if you're going to run that much boost on even good pump gas, it would be dumb not to have a Bipes (at a minimum) to control timing. For $175, you can set your base to 14* to keep all your low end power, and pull out as much as you need up top.

Danimal 05-25-2007 12:59 AM

Sam, why did you suggest for him to remove his cat? Thanx

cyee 05-25-2007 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by Danimal (Post 117076)
Sam, why did you suggest for him to remove his cat? Thanx

My guess is that 110 Octane Leaded Racing Gas would turn it to junk in a very short period of time...

samnavy 05-25-2007 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by cyee (Post 117085)
My guess is that 110 Octane Leaded Racing Gas would turn it to junk in a very short period of time...

Affirm.
If you're interested in adding some good fuel for a trackday or a dyno day, just call your local speed-shop and they should be able to tell you where the local hot-pumps are. If you've got a track nearby, guaranteed a gas-station close-by will sell the good stuff.
And yup, the Sunoco 110 stuff is leaded, which will eat the ceramics(or whatever) out of your cat.

If I remember correctly, the only reason for the lead was as an anti-knock agent. Now that refining techniques have made better gas cheaper, lead is out. I might be talking out my ass about that though.

shayrgob 05-26-2007 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by samnavy (Post 117166)
Affirm.
If you're interested in adding some good fuel for a trackday or a dyno day, just call your local speed-shop and they should be able to tell you where the local hot-pumps are. If you've got a track nearby, guaranteed a gas-station close-by will sell the good stuff.
And yup, the Sunoco 110 stuff is leaded, which will eat the ceramics(or whatever) out of your cat.

If I remember correctly, the only reason for the lead was as an anti-knock agent. Now that refining techniques have made better gas cheaper, lead is out. I might be talking out my ass about that though.

no...you're right on the money!!!

juhanis 05-26-2007 12:37 PM

yeah, the lead basically makes the gas burn slower. the lead greatly reduces its likeliness to ping. back in the day the lead was in the fuel because the octane was lower (i believe) and lead basically can take the place of octane to a point, and older cars didnt have hardened valve seats. newer cars do of course, so the leaded fuel isn't needed anymore. unless you're boosting the crap out of your car.

jif 05-27-2007 04:30 AM

as juhanis implied, lead is also a lubricant. So between that and the anti-knock properties it's pretty good stuff.

Apart from the potential for lead poisoning, that is ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_Po...iological_role

lazzer408 05-27-2007 05:27 AM

I've heard that lead was added to do something with the valves too? Valveguide lube? Maybe it was a conspiracy for population control?


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