New Turbo Kit in the works.
09-17-2008, 01:47 PM
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There is almost no demand for a high HP kit like that. There is however, a demand for the parts. Sell the manifold for example. I promise you could sell those. Make a nice reroute setup and you could sell it. Get greedy and make it all super expensive and nobody will buy anything. For example, make a nice tubular manifold with external gate setup for 500 and you will sell them. Make them for 400 and you will have cornered the market. Sell them for 1000 and.... you won't be selling very many.
Would there be interest in a manifold, downpipe, turbo setup? Manifold, Dp -about- 1100, and turbo depends on what size and options.
I think you all may change your minds when i get it finished and post the dyno, though, and will be asking for the whole kit!
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09-17-2008, 01:48 PM
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What are your ECU plans?
The problem with 400 or 500 dollars is by the time you buy the flanges, and the tubing, add the time of the cutting of the tubing and pay the welder, you cant justify a 4 or 5 hundred dollar price. I can see 700 being very attainable, though.
Would there be interest in a manifold, downpipe, turbo setup? Manifold, Dp -about- 1100, and turbo depends on what size and options.
I think you all may change your minds when i get it finished and post the dyno, though, and will be asking for the whole kit!
Would there be interest in a manifold, downpipe, turbo setup? Manifold, Dp -about- 1100, and turbo depends on what size and options.
I think you all may change your minds when i get it finished and post the dyno, though, and will be asking for the whole kit!
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09-17-2008, 02:07 PM
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Putting down the 1.6L is silly btw... it is just .2l... so tiny of a difference in the grand scheme.
Just put down 230+ on 10.x psi... with a smaller turbo than your project is using. A hurt turbo none the less.... new numbers to come as soon as i can get back to dyno.
Just put down 230+ on 10.x psi... with a smaller turbo than your project is using. A hurt turbo none the less.... new numbers to come as soon as i can get back to dyno.
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09-17-2008, 02:25 PM
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09-17-2008, 02:28 PM
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Let me put it to you this way, I expect no less than 400HP when i get done.
Full details of the build will be posted when i get done, but im not finished with the manifold yet.
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09-17-2008, 02:31 PM
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Im not putting it down, it just doesnt have the potential as far as Peak HP. The cylinder walls are thinner bc its actually i think a 1.3L bored out and stroked, i cant remember exactly but i know it cant handle as much boost. Im not putting it down, its just not what this kit is intending to target.
Let me put it to you this way, I expect no less than 400HP when i get done.
Full details of the build will be posted when i get done, but im not finished with the manifold yet.
Let me put it to you this way, I expect no less than 400HP when i get done.
Full details of the build will be posted when i get done, but im not finished with the manifold yet.
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09-17-2008, 02:43 PM
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I think the biggest issue you run into with "US" is that alot of has have seen the offerings in the market... done our own stuff and been playing with a turbo miata for a bit now.
It's one thing to come in and talk of your own project or show it... thats cool. But the setup as a sale thread (even though you say it isn't)... just isn't usually taken well. Especially with big claims and high price tags.
It's one thing to come in and talk of your own project or show it... thats cool. But the setup as a sale thread (even though you say it isn't)... just isn't usually taken well. Especially with big claims and high price tags.
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09-17-2008, 02:53 PM
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Stock internals? LOL no way. This will be the 10th miata motor that I have built, only the 2nd one for myself though. Pauter rods and forged wiseco 9:1 pistons.
No on stock internals at 10 psi im expecting between ~250-300whp.
No on stock internals at 10 psi im expecting between ~250-300whp.
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09-17-2008, 02:56 PM
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Im not new to the miata community guys, just new to this forum.
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09-17-2008, 02:58 PM
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Though I have no doubt that you will get some "complete kit" business, I think that overall you will do much better to also offer the manifold, DP, and turbo flange (or complete turbo, if you must) as a set seperate from the rest of the kit. Regarding the 1.6, it looks like others have already chimed in. While the 1.6 is technically an overbored 1.3, the 1.8 is not much beefier in terms of wall thickness. It's a moot point anyway, as that's not typically a weak point on these cars. Remember, our blocks are sleeveless cast iron.
Internally, the connecting rods tend to go first. The pistons are next in line, as the top ring land is pretty thin. Crank and block failures are pretty rare by comparison. And for what it's worth, the 1.6 actually has a reputation for being just about the toughest member of the family in terms of resistance to boost. But I'm not aware of any that have ever produced 400 HP on the stock internals for more than a few tenths of a second before the expensive noise happened.
Anyway, I can certainly understand the logic in not supporting the 1.6, if for no other reason than that it was only a three year run. Design a system for the 1.8, and you've got 12 years worth of Miatae to sell to.
Very interesting stuff, though. I'd say you've piqued our interest. The V-band idea is pure sex.
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09-17-2008, 02:58 PM
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I think the biggest issue you run into with "US" is that alot of has have seen the offerings in the market... done our own stuff and been playing with a turbo miata for a bit now.
It's one thing to come in and talk of your own project or show it... thats cool. But the setup as a sale thread (even though you say it isn't)... just isn't usually taken well. Especially with big claims and high price tags.
It's one thing to come in and talk of your own project or show it... thats cool. But the setup as a sale thread (even though you say it isn't)... just isn't usually taken well. Especially with big claims and high price tags.
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