6pt Harness
 

https://www.braumracing.com/product/...rness-black/##

Was about to order up a Scroth Profi II-6 Then found these. Has anyone ever seen/used them before. they look like they have decent components for a cheaper price

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c62b741b3f.jpg

Uhhhhhh, what a shitty website. They don't even have basic specs!

Basic info you should have when selling a reputable harness:

• What size belts.
• What homologations -> "FIA / SFI-rated" doesn't really tell me much... there are multiple SFI and FIA specs.
• What are the adjusters? pull-up/pull-down/user selectable?

They appear to be 3" lap and 3" shoulder belts. I would advise against that. The 2" lap belts are proven to be safer and they also hold you tighter. The 2" shoulder belts are also much preferred (or 3"->2"), assuming you are using a head and neck restraint, and you SHOULD be using one with a racing harness. If you wait a couple months, the new 8853-2016 FIA spec allow straight 2" shoulder belts. I talked with HMS Motorsports (the US Schroth distributor) at PRI and they expect to get the 2x2 belts in March.

My personal recommendation is:
https://www.schroth.com/en/segments/...profi-2x2.html

3" lap is a terrible idea. 3" shoulder belts work OK with a HANS, but are somewhat fiddly to align properly on the collar -- 2" is definitely better.

Safety gear for on-track use is not an area in which you want to save a few bucks by going with an unknown brand.

--ian

I plan to go with the scroth so the plan won't change. Is there any benefit of the 3'' shoulder straps despite being a pain with a hans device

3" is better for non-HANS use because it spreads the load over a larger portion of your chest. With a HANS that's not an issue (the HANS does the load spreading), and now that HANS have become significantly cheaper, nobody recommends running a 6-point harness without one any more.

--Ian

Took a bit for my brain to click. Ill wait and get that harness that seems to be the best of both worlds.

Braums is mad tyte JDM yo stuff as far as I can tell.

Icky icky gross gross ctrl z that thing. Undo. Undo. Backpedal. Hit computer with hammer. Phew the rice patties are gone now

inexpensive and SFI rated 6pt harnesses are made by RJS and G-Force. RJS/Crow can customize them any way you want including Dog Bone shoulders for HANS (or just buy a pre-build config from Summit). I personally always liked Crow's - quality stuff and are located here in California. Yes, they are not as fancy as Schroth, but still quality stuff and very simple, but attractive designs.

Said it before, I'll say it again. Use a Crow or G-Force or any other belt, then use a Schroth. You'll understand why they are better. Better adjusters, better latches, better design, more comfortable, easier to adjust.

100x this. I never knew what I was missing until I drove a friends Schroth equipped car........it's absolutely worth the extra cost. And it's really pretty marginal in the grand scheme of a decently built track car.

Ok, then a follow up question - does this apply to all Schroth products or only high end ones?

For example $250 basic Schroth 6pt harness delivered will have those features? When i look at harnesses, sites rarely go into detail of why this particular brand or model is better than the competition. I've only used Sparco and Crow so far, so have no first hand experience with Schroth.

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motor...saloon-harness

From what I've been able to find, Clubman uses steel buckles and (maybe) a different latching mechanism.

The Sabelt is running a sale. I believe this is for driver and passenger pricing.

The difference between the clubman and profit is steel vs aluminum hardware and the profile has a tee bar sub strap

Am I just dumb, or does Schroth not offer a 5 point harness?

If you don't want to spend the money on Schroth Enduro or Profi, then buy these:

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motor...-harness-black
http://rally.build/sparco-endurance-...point-harness/

The webbing and adjusters are high quality, they have 2" lap belts, and they have the lap adjusters built into the tang just like the $500+ Schroth Enduro. IMO they're the best harnesses available right now for the money. I'm personally still willing to spend the extra for the Schroths because of the added comfort of the Schroth sub straps, but those Sparcos are a hell of a deal. I have a set of Schroth Enduro belts in my NB endurance car and a set of the Sparcos in my NC street car that only sees a few track days a year.

Looks like they also have a new all-2" version, but the sub-strap T-bar looks super uncomfortable.
https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motor...ce-6-point-fhr

Another good option that I've never seen before. These have nicer lap belt adjusters (equal to Schroth) and a better T-bar design than the Sparcos. TRS isn't popular in the US but they're used on lots of pro-level cars in Europe. I think these are my new favorite budget harness.

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motor...ns-fhr-harness

You guys are the best (worst?) at getting me to spend more on safety gear.

I guess my 3" Racequips can go to the passenger side now...

I still have 3" on the shoulders b/c i got the necksgen rev2 lite which is designed to take a 3" belt...

basically whatever head/neck restraint system can use.

How do you like it? I was looking at getting one.

Buy Sabelt their are quality made and on sale

Nothing gives me quite the fuzzy warm feelings of seeing anti sub belts routed in front of the seat..

Hard to match the comfort levels of the Schroth hybrid belts.

i don't have any in-car experience with anything else, but i really like it. it's light, comfy, is easy to put on (even while in the car), easy to connect/disconnect, and the harnesses lay right in there.

Ok, so I got myself a Schroth PROFI III-6.... here are some comments

Tactile feel and lock mechanism
- Schroth cam-lock has plastic exterior, feels less sturdy. Less positive click on locking mechanism. Ergonomics of release lever is odd to me - lever plate is same size as body of the lock, has shape as if it meant to be operated with fingers rather than with a full hand (palm and fingers over the top of the lock), but works fine and in any direction.
- Crow - hefty metal that feels very solid, no play at all. Very positive and solid click when locking. Ergonomics of release lever is perfect since it's symmetrical and the release is slightly bigger than the body of the lock, so it can be grabbed with any hand form any angle and turned in any direction for instant release

Webbing:
- Schroth webbing is softer and feels lighter.
- Crow webbing is a bit less pliable, feels heavier.

Ease of adjustment -
- Schroth - it works fine. Lap belt adjustments may be better/easier
- Crow - it works fine, Shoulder straps are easier to release since Crow has little red pull tabs that are easy to spot and pull to release.

Weight
- Schroth - feels lighter
- Crow - feels heavier

Price
- Schroth - ~$400
- Crow - ~$230

Now after having both, I still like Crow a bit more, even though lap belt adjustment is more of hassle (but you don't do it nearly as much as locking/unlocking).

1. Are your lap belts configured as pull up or pull down?
2. Why did you buy the III and not the II?

Have you actually worn them?

Moti :
1) pull down
2) i got it with the car I just bought, PO put it in just recently.

Also to clarify - i think Schroth has better lap adjustment, i had a poor choice of words in my previous statement where it could be understood either way.

Savington - I did use Crow at the track and auto-x as it was in my previous build that I've sold. Schroth on street only, as stock belt doesn't have a receiver and I just got this car and haven't had a chance to go anywhere yet.

That was mistake on the PO side to buy the III, should've gone with the II, and if he did that you would've been able to flip the lap belts to a pull-up config which is much easier to tighten.

I had similar issue with having III but contacted HMS and bought flexi lap belts and now have ability to do pull up vs pull down. There is very little room on the inboard side by trans tunnel where the buckle is outside of the seat and adjusting that to loosen the lap belt is a pain. The pull down config puts the adjuster closer to the cam lock.

Well, i don't see lap belts as an issue and as indicated - the adjusters themselves are better than Crow. Lap belt adjustments are rarely needed once adjusted properly, at least that's the case for me. I was just commenting that from my subjective experience a more expensive Schroth was not significantly better than the much cheaper Crow. Where Crow is lacking is in the 6pt sub belt buckle, i think it is a lazy design, while Schroth engineers spent some time thinking about how to make it more comfortable and better.

I find that with the 2" lap belts configured in pull-up, the adjuster ends up interacting with the seat all the time. I configure them to pull-down and then route the strap through the seat. You still pull up to tighten, but the seat acts as a pulley and the adjusters sit on your lap and well away from the seat.

Same for me. The 2" flexi belt made this easy.