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bbundy 08-25-2013 01:42 PM

Broken diff housing
 
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I put my car up on the lift and happened to notice this. Diff arm cracked right through the machined in break here feature. I hadn’t noticed anything weird but from the fracture surface it doesn’t look like it was broken all the way through for very long. Might have broken my last autocross run last weekend and I just happened to see it. Anybody else breaking these? I cringe every time I see people jacking up there car by the diff and It is something I’ve never done.

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pitobread 08-25-2013 01:45 PM

Many break there, thats why everyone uses the FC housings. P.S. I have some for sale!

Braineack 08-25-2013 02:14 PM

jacking by the diff isn't going to do that.

but that's a factory break point so you don't ruin the motor/drivetrain on a rear end collision

bbundy 08-25-2013 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by pitobread (Post 1047089)
Many break there, thats why everyone uses the FC housings. P.S. I have some for sale!

Will those fit the Miata front section? I might be interested.

FRT_Fun 08-25-2013 02:22 PM

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Yes. When I swapped in my RX7 clutch diff I used the 7 housing/ring and the miata nose/pinion.

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bbundy 08-25-2013 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1047097)
jacking by the diff isn't going to do that.

but that's a factory break point so you don't ruin the motor/drivetrain on a rear end collision

I never Jack by the Diff. I was surprised seeing 949 racing jacking by the diff at the 25 hours of Thunderhill.

FWIW looks like the crack initiated at the top slot.

bbundy 08-25-2013 02:35 PM

Wow not only does the RX7 one not have a notch and looks beefier its got a big flat spot that looks like it was made to be a jack point.

Braineack 08-25-2013 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1047101)
I never Jack by the Diff.

factory manual shows it as a jacking point.


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1047103)
Wow not only does the RX7 one not have a notch and looks beefier its got a big flat spot that looks like it was made to be a jack point.

yep. no notches, and MUCH beefier "legs"

Midtenn 08-25-2013 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1047103)
Wow not only does the RX7 one not have a notch and looks beefier its got a big flat spot that looks like it was made to be a jack point.

I was thinking about selling one I received a few weeks ago. Shoot me a PM if you can't procure one locally. If not, I might just keep it as a spare now knowing its a little stronger.

TNTUBA 08-25-2013 07:10 PM

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Went through two at a pro solo last month.

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J-pp 08-25-2013 08:53 PM

I broke mine exactly like that with my f20c. I didn't fuck around with it I'm ordering boosfrog 8.8 diff bracket tomorow

Leafy 08-25-2013 10:12 PM

The Rx7 one looks heavier. If I find it to be a problem on my car I'll fully box the arms and send it out to be re-heat treated.

I'm not sure how people jack by the diff. Even with my super long reach ultra low HF racing jack I cant reach it, the jack hits the stock 94+ "cannon brace" before I get in far enough. When I jack the rear I jack from the rear most bolt of that brack. Hasn't bent anything yet.

dstn2bdoa 08-25-2013 11:22 PM

I've seen two like that. Sporting the RX-7 one now.

Savington 08-26-2013 12:21 AM

Theseus has had an FC housing for a few years now.

mx5-kiwi 08-26-2013 01:07 AM

What causes these failures, axle tramp...hoosiers......+300 WHP...Auto X only?

Having built and continuing to develop my circuit racing car. I am interested to know if this is something that should be on my radar or not?

bbundy 08-26-2013 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by mx5-kiwi (Post 1047241)
What causes these failures, axle tramp...hoosiers......+300 WHP...Auto X only?

Having built and continuing to develop my circuit racing car. I am interested to know if this is something that should be on my radar or not?

Well I'm guessing in my case over 300 ft-lbs of torque 275 A6 Hoosiers and I recently did a bunch of autocross. western states champ win Packwood Prosolo win and Canadian National Autoslolom championship win in SSM also having a co-driver. The energy suspension diff mounts may not be as nice to this part as well.

So I Guess I found another weak point. I have already determined the inner CV’s wear out fairly rapidly. About half a season and the balls imbed themselves into the outer cup and they start developing lots of slop. I suspect Mazdaspeed axles would fix that.

k24madness 08-26-2013 01:46 AM

Given the location of the relief notches the housing must be snapping from front to rear movement of the drive train. What kind of motor mounts are you guys who broke em running?

Would something like this help?

Joy Fast PPF performance bars - MiataRoadster - High-performance customer service...and parts for Roadsters

It would stop the twisting and front to rear movement of the drive train.

mx5-kiwi 08-26-2013 06:55 AM

I have one of those but a Beatrush one. I bought it to try and alleviate axle tramp in the damp conditions of my first race but quickly took it off becaues in the wet the transition from grip to no grip was instant and undetectable, on the road....frightening. Can't imagine it being better on the track..

I do wonder if it is an improvement to the standard setup in the dry though....in for anyones experiences....

I haven't had a chance to do a back to back test, due to combination of building car and the wet winter has prevented much driving/testing....but intend to at some point.

Braineack 08-26-2013 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1047212)
The Rx7 one looks heavier. If I find it to be a problem on my car I'll fully box the arms and send it out to be re-heat treated.

I'm not sure how people jack by the diff. Even with my super long reach ultra low HF racing jack I cant reach it, the jack hits the stock 94+ "cannon brace" before I get in far enough. When I jack the rear I jack from the rear most bolt of that brack. Hasn't bent anything yet.


sounds like someone belongs in the CR slammed thread.

bbundy 08-26-2013 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by k24madness (Post 1047248)
Given the location of the relief notches the housing must be snapping from front to rear movement of the drive train. What kind of motor mounts are you guys who broke em running?

Would something like this help?

Joy Fast PPF performance bars - MiataRoadster - High-performance customer service...and parts for Roadsters

It would stop the twisting and front to rear movement of the drive train.

AWR engine mounts energy suspension Diff mounts. I suspect the failure is more related to torque reaction. High input of engine torque puts the top flange where the notch is in tension. From the fracture surface I can see evidence of periodic crack growth from the top notch over time about half way through the part then snap from the lower notch.


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