Drag Racing ??
#41
I just find it ironic cause he basically has the SAME basic speech for everything: He gave it over and over almost word for word when justifying a miata drift car. Its always the same old speech: "you guys are all haters and old farts cause you don't do weird things in the name of BEING DIFFERENT" and "you should waste tons of money and time doing things no one does just for the sake of doing them"
..Its as if using more appropriate cars for specific sports or specific types of driving is a stupid or terrible idea.
But hey, if you got wads of cash to burn trying "new things" all the power to ya dude. I'll gladly follow the build thread.
..Its as if using more appropriate cars for specific sports or specific types of driving is a stupid or terrible idea.
But hey, if you got wads of cash to burn trying "new things" all the power to ya dude. I'll gladly follow the build thread.
#48
This may be a dumb question, but how are slicks better on drivetrain than street tires? I would think if they dead hook it would break more stuff rather than having a little bit of wheel spin.
#49
I have a hard time launching miatas without getting wheel hop. Wheel hop breaks axles. True drag slicks are so squishy they act like dampers for the drivetrain and lessen severe impacts. So the average forces seen by the parts will be higher with the slicks the forces will be lower than a wheel hopping street tire or drag radial.
#50
The problem Miata's have is wheel hop which blows up your drivetrain. Slicks will help get rid of the wheel hop since it'll just be grip rather than on off grip and spin.
But I was wondering about how bad a dead hook might be on the drivetrain as well.
Edit: ^beat me to it
Wheel hop is pretty bad, I only managed to get 1 run in out of 16 where i didn't get any wheel hop. That also happened to be my fastest run since I was able to actually fully rev out 1st rather than letting off or shifting early into second. I'm sure with more practice it could get better.
But I was wondering about how bad a dead hook might be on the drivetrain as well.
Edit: ^beat me to it
Wheel hop is pretty bad, I only managed to get 1 run in out of 16 where i didn't get any wheel hop. That also happened to be my fastest run since I was able to actually fully rev out 1st rather than letting off or shifting early into second. I'm sure with more practice it could get better.
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Do what you want, I'm just telling you there is a far easier/cheaper way to go about this and you'll save yourself A LOT of headaches. Here are some examples of what is available:
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#52
The problem Miata's have is wheel hop which blows up your drivetrain. Slicks will help get rid of the wheel hop since it'll just be grip rather than on off grip and spin.
But I was wondering about how bad a dead hook might be on the drivetrain as well.
Edit: ^beat me to it
But I was wondering about how bad a dead hook might be on the drivetrain as well.
Edit: ^beat me to it
I was actually planning to take my car to the car show and race as the drag strip 20 minutes from my house this coming sunday... but the sway bar from my car ended up on my dad's miata and he decided he was racing it that weekend. Lol. I was excited to run in the tripled digits trap with a 15 second quarter and 3 second 60 ft because the ******* RS3 would certainly not hook up in late october new england temps.
#53
How much torque are we talking about for this dead hook? Drag slicks are so mushy that when you dead hook its not an abrupt shock load (which is what allows DS's to dead hook in the first place). If you were to dead hook with a tire that had the carcase of a BFG Rival it would be more likely to break things in the drivetrain than a DS because it would result in a higher peak load.
I was actually planning to take my car to the car show and race as the drag strip 20 minutes from my house this coming sunday... but the sway bar from my car ended up on my dad's miata and he decided he was racing it that weekend. Lol. I was excited to run in the tripled digits trap with a 15 second quarter and 3 second 60 ft because the ******* RS3 would certainly not hook up in late october new england temps.
I was actually planning to take my car to the car show and race as the drag strip 20 minutes from my house this coming sunday... but the sway bar from my car ended up on my dad's miata and he decided he was racing it that weekend. Lol. I was excited to run in the tripled digits trap with a 15 second quarter and 3 second 60 ft because the ******* RS3 would certainly not hook up in late october new england temps.
I pulled a 14.2 @ 110mph down in Florida last year at the GRM Challenge. (Low boost, huge exhaust leak, slipping clutch) I was proud that i had pulled off such a ******* stupid time/trap. 2.8 second 60'.
#54
This may be a dumb question, but how are slicks better on drivetrain than street tires? I would think if they dead hook it would break more stuff rather than having a little bit of wheel spin.
I agree that wheel hop is what can lead to broken parts, but I have broke a few axles on the slicks I am using. I think it was mostly due to ride height issues I had. When I start putting serious power to the ground, I suspect that the taller tire will be softer on drivetrain components. I will not know what the limits are until I push them.
#55
I am running Mickey Thompson 22"x8"x15" on the back. You may consider running 24" tall. You have to do the math to make sure your gearing is correct.
A lot of people think that slicks dead hook, but even a Pro-Mod will bog if they dead hook. Slicks usually spin one or two revolutions before the car really starts to move forward quickly. Taller slicks also wrinkle acting like a shock absorber. The short slicks I have do not wrinkle like a taller tire would, but I am not making tons of power either.
I agree that wheel hop is what can lead to broken parts, but I have broke a few axles on the slicks I am using. I think it was mostly due to ride height issues I had. When I start putting serious power to the ground, I suspect that the taller tire will be softer on drivetrain components. I will not know what the limits are until I push them.
A lot of people think that slicks dead hook, but even a Pro-Mod will bog if they dead hook. Slicks usually spin one or two revolutions before the car really starts to move forward quickly. Taller slicks also wrinkle acting like a shock absorber. The short slicks I have do not wrinkle like a taller tire would, but I am not making tons of power either.
I agree that wheel hop is what can lead to broken parts, but I have broke a few axles on the slicks I am using. I think it was mostly due to ride height issues I had. When I start putting serious power to the ground, I suspect that the taller tire will be softer on drivetrain components. I will not know what the limits are until I push them.
#57
Do you soften the rear springs to get it to transfer the weight a little better?
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From what i have read, you dont want the rear to squat. You do want the weight to transfer to the rear in a non abrupt movement. This is all controlled by the front dampening. I think shock valving plays a bigger role than the spring rates.
you want the suspension to be free moving and not all bound up and tight, removing the front sway bar helps to remove resistance from the front, triggering better weight transfer.
you want the suspension to be free moving and not all bound up and tight, removing the front sway bar helps to remove resistance from the front, triggering better weight transfer.