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tomiboy 12-03-2012 12:29 PM

Dual spring delete on Xidas Clubsports
 
Any of you running Xidas Club Sports without the dual springs? Any regrets?

Savington 12-03-2012 01:20 PM

You want the dual springs.

2ndGearRubber 12-03-2012 09:31 PM

I've heard Emilio say "they do everything better". I wish he gave specific examples. :(

Braineack 12-04-2012 08:43 AM

You need to learn not to question; just accept.

Leafy 12-04-2012 08:46 AM

Basically, the helper spring makes sure you use all the droop travel of the shock. In the rear this helps you keep the inside rear down and apply power better coming out of the corner. In the front its not as big of a deal as long as you have proper roll stiffness except in certain situations. They're worth the extra money, but only if you use them right. If you have a shock at the ride height you want but the helper is fully compressed at full droop you need to add the spacer bits on the top of the shock shaft, I believe that should be in the instructions that no one reads.

k24madness 12-04-2012 10:21 AM

You want the dual springs in most situations. If you opt out at purchase time you can't add them later because main spring lengths are shorter with the helpers.

tomiboy 12-04-2012 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by k24madness (Post 955762)
You want the dual springs in most situations. If you opt out at purchase time you can't add them later because main spring lengths are shorter with the helpers.

Now that's good to know!

240_to_miata 12-04-2012 02:22 PM

You can add them later. Springs are cheap. You just will need to buy the different length springs.

I currently have no duals. I still LOVE the suspension but I will add the duals eventually to gain all the benefits listed above.

While everyone on here pretends to be all out ballers it is still acceptable not to have the best of the best. Buy what you can afford and upgrade later. The xida is a great suspension in any form.

Leafy 12-04-2012 02:24 PM

My only real regret with the xidas is that I didnt buy doubles the first time. And my second is that I didnt get them with the solid upper mounts. I didnt realize how janky the adapters for the NB mounts actually were. But Club sports are still a grand cheaper than any other coil over setup with AST 5100 dampers.

emilio700 12-04-2012 03:32 PM


Savington 12-04-2012 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 955744)
You need to learn not to question; just accept.

Nah. You just need to accept that the question's been answered over and over and it's easier and more polite to just say "You want the dual springs because they do everything better" than "search noob".

sugy 12-05-2012 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 955888)

very cool vid. definitely buying dual spring xidas when my current setup dies

Braineack 12-05-2012 05:41 PM

whats going on at 0:31?

vehicular 12-05-2012 05:43 PM

But... you can go, like an inch and a half lower if you take the helper springs out... That's what we do here, right?

gtred 12-05-2012 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 955888)

I had assumed that the high rate front sway bar would negate any effects of the helper spring, so I only use helpers on the rear... it looks like I'll have to re-evaluate my assumptions!

Nice to see a little scientific testing is associated with your opinions!

bigben 12-05-2012 07:26 PM

Thanks for that video, it worth more than any explanation I've ever read regarding the helpers!

miata_racer 12-09-2012 12:49 PM

Tires lock up under braking at times ;) it's the RF tire which is typically the most common lockup point


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 956302)
whats going on at 0:31?


Braineack 12-09-2012 02:09 PM

it just looks like the tire was floating.

chpmnsws6 12-09-2012 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 956302)
whats going on at 0:31?

ABS is not working.

Its amazing how much flex the sway bar mount has even with blocks.

wannafbody 12-09-2012 09:45 PM

I didn't notice much flex, looked more like shadows to me.


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