Gearbox options/experiences
#203
Keep in mind the static loaded radius is what determines tire drive ratio, not circumference of a new (full tread) tire when measured off the car. I measure a typical 225/45/15 used race tire hub center to ground distance at closer to 11.2" when inflated to race hot pressures. This affects speed in gear calc quite a bit.
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Keep in mind the static loaded radius is what determines tire drive ratio, not circumference of a new (full tread) tire when measured off the car. I measure a typical 225/45/15 used race tire hub center to ground distance at closer to 11.2" when inflated to race hot pressures. This affects speed in gear calc quite a bit.
The ratios your builder suggested are close enough to ideal that I wouldn't worry about it.
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Wouldn't the toughest hurdle be the bellhousing and PPF mounting points? I would like to hope the input shaft could be interchanged with the one out of a Miata, but I've not ever had a 6 speed apart so my musings are speculatory.
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Easier than you might think, I suspect. I bet all the bearings, etc. are the same, and I know the center sections are identical, so I think a Miata tailshaft and bellhousing would bolt up to an S15 6-speed.
#210
Yea when I get back to it Im still needing to work out the details on how to do the swap and what will work. The input shaft sticks out about 1" longer the output shaft is about 1" shorter and both are different splines than a Miata but I don't think that is a show stopper yet. It might be that an FRS/BRG transmission is a better starting point. it basically has the same ratios as the S15.
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Has anyone looked into making a cradle or similar mount to the one shown to adapt other transmissions to solve the issue of loosing the PPF. The one shown below is from a SR20DET swap kit into the Miata using the Nissan 5spd. I am not saying that is the optimal gear setup, just an idea of an adapter.
#213
Has anyone looked into making a cradle or similar mount to the one shown to adapt other transmissions to solve the issue of loosing the PPF. The one shown below is from a SR20DET swap kit into the Miata using the Nissan 5spd. I am not saying that is the optimal gear setup, just an idea of an adapter.
Personally, I am thinking of building my own PPF / Torque arm hybrid to attach to a T-5, but still have a transmission cross member.
#214
The engines on those mount way far forward I guess you can't really stuff a flat 4 partially into the transmission tunnel like you can with an upright inline 4. They don't have the super thick dual mass flywheel like the S15 though so it might be the front and rear shaft lengths from the center section are closser to the miata version. input and output splines I believe are the same as the S15 at least I know the input is. Input splines are an easy problem to overcome though.
#215
I don't remember if we hit on it but I know we touched on it.
Honda S2000, Mazda RX-8,-Toyota Altezza,-Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ.
Use the same Aisin transmission, well at lease the transmission code.
Non of these are quite the same as ours? Not a single one is swappable?
Something didn't seem right.
Honda S2000, Mazda RX-8,-Toyota Altezza,-Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ.
Use the same Aisin transmission, well at lease the transmission code.
Non of these are quite the same as ours? Not a single one is swappable?
Something didn't seem right.
#216
Miata 6 speed (green) vs Getrag MT82 (blue)
Getrag MT82's 3rd gear could probably be coped with on track, but the .62 OD is just too tall. Muncie 4-speed's 2-3-4 is perfect, but no OD kills that too.
Maybe just maybe it would be possible to take the MT82 4th, and put the driven on the drive position and vice versa, for the 6th gear, and have a .757 6th. You can do that on the old 911/914 5 sp transaxles. Obviously you'd have to buy a 4th gear set and do a trans rebuild, and it wouldnt be as good as the Miata 6th, but way better than the stock mt82
Getrag MT82's 3rd gear could probably be coped with on track, but the .62 OD is just too tall. Muncie 4-speed's 2-3-4 is perfect, but no OD kills that too.
Maybe just maybe it would be possible to take the MT82 4th, and put the driven on the drive position and vice versa, for the 6th gear, and have a .757 6th. You can do that on the old 911/914 5 sp transaxles. Obviously you'd have to buy a 4th gear set and do a trans rebuild, and it wouldnt be as good as the Miata 6th, but way better than the stock mt82
#217
I don't remember if we hit on it but I know we touched on it.
Honda S2000, Mazda RX-8,-Toyota Altezza,-Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ.
Use the same Aisin transmission, well at lease the transmission code.
Non of these are quite the same as ours? Not a single one is swappable?
Something didn't seem right.
Honda S2000, Mazda RX-8,-Toyota Altezza,-Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ.
Use the same Aisin transmission, well at lease the transmission code.
Non of these are quite the same as ours? Not a single one is swappable?
Something didn't seem right.
#218
Found a bunch of S15 6speed info
S15 6 Speed Transmission for Dummies - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum
S15 6 Speed Transmission for Dummies - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum
#219
We are talking with a supplier (not PAR, Quaife or BAR) to get 6spd gearsets and steel shift forks for the AZ-6. I'm leaning towards one ratio option close to what Andrew and I posted above, dog engagement, helical gears. Torque capacity would be as close to 400lbs as we could get given packaging constraints. The Stock AZ-6 is nominally rated for about 200lbs. At 300 + the lifespan gets measured in hours, 400+ measured in minutes.
Target gear ratios, or something near this
2.8
2
1.52
1.22
1
.87
We would have to get about 20 orders. Ball park is about $3100 for the parts kit.
ETA would be roughly 10 months from green lighting the project to you door.
Dog box allows for greater strength but is only happy when banging through gears. Shifting slow on the street can be a PITA. For those that have never clutchless shifted a close ratio dog box, it's only slightly less awesome than a full sequential.
Thoughts?
Target gear ratios, or something near this
2.8
2
1.52
1.22
1
.87
We would have to get about 20 orders. Ball park is about $3100 for the parts kit.
ETA would be roughly 10 months from green lighting the project to you door.
Dog box allows for greater strength but is only happy when banging through gears. Shifting slow on the street can be a PITA. For those that have never clutchless shifted a close ratio dog box, it's only slightly less awesome than a full sequential.
Thoughts?
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