Helmet
I'm adding this as a separate thread from my harness thread because it seems like it is a good idea to have some helmet info on the site.
SA2005 is about to be replaced, so it will be a good time to pick up a discounted helmet. What does everyone feel are must have features? Should you really worry about brand if they meet the SA criteria? What do you use or what would you get if you bought a replacement? Please specify if you are using yours to race regularly or occasionally. |
I have a discontinued Zamp fs-1 and they are cheap cheap cheap right now online. I'm happy if the helmet meets any standard and the only two features I look for are a tinted visor and HANS anchors if I ever decide to devote more cash to my personal safety. I use mine 10x per year or so. Lightness would be nice but I have a Henry Rollins neck so I may not feel the weight like some people.
Although this is more than I'd like to spend these look reasonably priced and possibly lighter than most. |
I'm in search of an SA rated helmet as well. My motorcycle helmet has gotten me through autox but when I start tracking I will need an SA rated helmet. I learned from picking up the motorcycle helmet that you should buy for fitment first before brand. I had a helmet picked out that I liked and 'thought' fit well but one of the sales guys showed me where there was spacing instead of padding and directed me to a different brand of helmet which fit much better.
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Originally Posted by djp0623
(Post 623168)
What does everyone feel are must have features?
Should you really worry about brand if they meet the SA criteria? What do you use or what would you get if you bought a replacement? Please specify if you are using yours to race regularly or occasionally. Must-have feature: SA sticker, fits my head well, HANS compatibility (which is pretty much everything). Everything else is optional. Brand isn't important, so long as it's one of the well-known, reputable companies. Fit is much more important, different vendors use different head forms, so you want to find the one that most closely matches your head. I have a Bell Sport 3, SA2005. I use it for autocrossing regularly and track days a few times a year. --Ian |
Wouldn't it be nice if the damn helmet manufacturers would list weights!?! Hustler's BlackOps carbon helmet looks like a great buy but while they claim lightness they don't prove it by giving us real numbers.
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Would you recommend waiting until the SA2010 come out to buy a SA2005?
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that zero nine doesn't have thee anchors for hans I thought that was one thing that you NEED to have in a helmet according to hustler, or does it have it and I just cant see it
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Originally Posted by proughj
(Post 623552)
that zero nine doesn't have thee anchors for hans I thought that was one thing that you NEED to have in a helmet according to hustler, or does it have it and I just cant see it
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You have to drill which is no big deal, but I'm not sure about drilling carbon fiber.
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Originally Posted by djp0623
(Post 623519)
Would you recommend waiting until the SA2010 come out to buy a SA2005?
Mine is a Bell M4 Sport that I bought for ~$375 IIRC, SA2005 purchased in 2008. I liked that model because it fit my head well and also has a pretty large viewport for a full-face helmet. No complaints, it's not the lightest out there but the weight isn't bothersome. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 623562)
You have to drill which is no big deal, but I'm not sure about drilling carbon fiber.
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I have a simpson bandit after using the budget sa2005 pyrotech helmet we got with our lemons gear. This one actually fits well and doesn't have distinct pressure points. I love it and is super comfy.
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Must have's (IMHO):
1. SA certification 2. Comfortable fit 3. Full-face 4. Relatively light weight 5. HANS posts/compatability 6. Some type of vents/ventilation system 7. Interior compatible with radio/comm gear 8. Removable/washable interior liner 9. Positive quality/cost ratio. Nice to have: 10. Variety of visors, at affordable prices (I like iridium tinted) 11. Doesn't look dorky I've had Pyrotect and a couple others. I was happy enough with the fit and features of the Pyrotect, but the quality was a disappointment. The current crop of HJC's hit all of the the points above. The fit is very comfortable to me. I sprung for the carbon-fiber version, it is relatively light weight. I do a lot of driving, so it is worth it to me. A weekend-warrior will be just as happy with the white/fiberglass version, which is otherwise identical in construction to the cf version, though a couple pounds heavier. There is a big difference between wearing a helmet for a handful of 20-30 minute sessions a day, vs. wearing one all day long (instructing) or belted in a car for hours on end (endurance racing). The Stilo helmets make me stiff in a good way, though are pricey. The internal audio & hydration options are very nice, and the fit is amazing. Higher-end helmets without removable liners are dead to me. SA2005 vs 2010 would not be a determining factor for me, as 5 years is already a lot of time to get out of a helmet if you use it a lot. Being able to pull the interior and wash it properly is a huge benefit. Also, if I had not been practically given the bag and blower, I would have never owned a Shock Doctor. Now that I have it, I must say, that it really does work amazingly well. Dries the helmet relatively quickly, and the "ozone" option kills odor. Of course it only works when the helmet is actually wet, so I only bring it to tracks that have garages & power outlets. The #1 recommendation I have is to try them on for yourself. I would never buy a helmet without trying it on and wearing it for a bit. Sizes and fit from helmet-to-helmet, let alone manufacturer-to-manufacturer, can vary quite a bit. Getting the right fit requires a trip to a local (or not-so-local) shop and actually sampling the goods. While you are there, buy it. Don't try on locally and then try to save $20-50 by buying online. That's a great way to make sure the shop isn't around the next time you need to buy a helmet. Some helmets, especially the lower-priced ones, look dorky due to the size of the shell. Cheaper helmets use the same size shell for a variety of helmet sizes, and make-up the difference in size by having different internal pads. This can make for a huge bobble-head style helmet (and heavy one too). I believe the HJC's use a couple of different sizes, but are still in the affordable range. More expensive helmets use different shell sizes for each size, or two sizes max. Ask your local shop. They should hopefully carry a variety of brands and be able to speak intelligently about all of them, and helmets in general. If not, do your research online, but still sample and buy local. My #2 recommendation is to ignore my list and make your own. The internet if full of ass-hats, and with enough of personal experience of your own, if you find that your experiences are very different than mine, you may decide that I am one of 'em. But hey, at least I gave you my honest opinion. |
Originally Posted by wildo
(Post 623660)
Must have's (IMHO):
1. SA certification 2. Comfortable fit 3. Full-face 4. Relatively light weight 5. HANS posts/compatability 6. Some type of vents/ventilation system 7. Interior compatible with radio/comm gear 8. Removable/washable interior liner 9. Positive quality/cost ratio. Nice to have: 10. Variety of visors, at affordable prices (I like iridium tinted) 11. Doesn't look dorky I've had Pyrotect and a couple others. I was happy enough with the fit and features of the Pyrotect, but the quality was a disappointment. The current crop of HJC's hit all of the the points above. The fit is very comfortable to me. I sprung for the carbon-fiber version, it is relatively light weight. I do a lot of driving, so it is worth it to me. A weekend-warrior will be just as happy with the white/fiberglass version, which is otherwise identical in construction to the cf version, though a couple pounds heavier. There is a big difference between wearing a helmet for a handful of 20-30 minute sessions a day, vs. wearing one all day long (instructing) or belted in a car for hours on end (endurance racing). The Stilo helmets make me stiff in a good way, though are pricey. The internal audio & hydration options are very nice, and the fit is amazing. Higher-end helmets without removable liners are dead to me. SA2005 vs 2010 would not be a determining factor for me, as 5 years is already a lot of time to get out of a helmet if you use it a lot. Being able to pull the interior and wash it properly is a huge benefit. Also, if I had not been practically given the bag and blower, I would have never owned a Shock Doctor. Now that I have it, I must say, that it really does work amazingly well. Dries the helmet relatively quickly, and the "ozone" option kills odor. Of course it only works when the helmet is actually wet, so I only bring it to tracks that have garages & power outlets. The #1 recommendation I have is to try them on for yourself. I would never buy a helmet without trying it on and wearing it for a bit. Sizes and fit from helmet-to-helmet, let alone manufacturer-to-manufacturer, can vary quite a bit. Getting the right fit requires a trip to a local (or not-so-local) shop and actually sampling the goods. While you are there, buy it. Don't try on locally and then try to save $20-50 by buying online. That's a great way to make sure the shop isn't around the next time you need to buy a helmet. Some helmets, especially the lower-priced ones, look dorky due to the size of the shell. Cheaper helmets use the same size shell for a variety of helmet sizes, and make-up the difference in size by having different internal pads. This can make for a huge bobble-head style helmet (and heavy one too). I believe the HJC's use a couple of different sizes, but are still in the affordable range. More expensive helmets use different shell sizes for each size, or two sizes max. Ask your local shop. They should hopefully carry a variety of brands and be able to speak intelligently about all of them, and helmets in general. If not, do your research online, but still sample and buy local. My #2 recommendation is to ignore my list and make your own. The internet if full of ass-hats, and with enough of personal experience of your own, if you find that your experiences are very different than mine, you may decide that I am one of 'em. But hey, at least I gave you my honest opinion. |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 623562)
You have to drill which is no big deal, but I'm not sure about drilling carbon fiber.
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I'd probably buy this Simpson, great price for an SA helmet:
http://www.saferacer.com/simpson-v-s...productid=2088 |
Originally Posted by wildo
(Post 623660)
Must have's (IMHO):
1. SA certification 2. Comfortable fit 3. Full-face 4. Relatively light weight 5. HANS posts/compatability 6. Some type of vents/ventilation system 7. Interior compatible with radio/comm gear 8. Removable/washable interior liner 9. Positive quality/cost ratio. Nice to have: 10. Variety of visors, at affordable prices (I like iridium tinted) 11. Doesn't look dorky I've had Pyrotect and a couple others. I was happy enough with the fit and features of the Pyrotect, but the quality was a disappointment. The current crop of HJC's hit all of the the points above. The fit is very comfortable to me. I sprung for the carbon-fiber version, it is relatively light weight. I do a lot of driving, so it is worth it to me. A weekend-warrior will be just as happy with the white/fiberglass version, which is otherwise identical in construction to the cf version, though a couple pounds heavier. There is a big difference between wearing a helmet for a handful of 20-30 minute sessions a day, vs. wearing one all day long (instructing) or belted in a car for hours on end (endurance racing). The Stilo helmets make me stiff in a good way, though are pricey. The internal audio & hydration options are very nice, and the fit is amazing. Higher-end helmets without removable liners are dead to me. SA2005 vs 2010 would not be a determining factor for me, as 5 years is already a lot of time to get out of a helmet if you use it a lot. Being able to pull the interior and wash it properly is a huge benefit. Also, if I had not been practically given the bag and blower, I would have never owned a Shock Doctor. Now that I have it, I must say, that it really does work amazingly well. Dries the helmet relatively quickly, and the "ozone" option kills odor. Of course it only works when the helmet is actually wet, so I only bring it to tracks that have garages & power outlets. The #1 recommendation I have is to try them on for yourself. I would never buy a helmet without trying it on and wearing it for a bit. Sizes and fit from helmet-to-helmet, let alone manufacturer-to-manufacturer, can vary quite a bit. Getting the right fit requires a trip to a local (or not-so-local) shop and actually sampling the goods. While you are there, buy it. Don't try on locally and then try to save $20-50 by buying online. That's a great way to make sure the shop isn't around the next time you need to buy a helmet. Some helmets, especially the lower-priced ones, look dorky due to the size of the shell. Cheaper helmets use the same size shell for a variety of helmet sizes, and make-up the difference in size by having different internal pads. This can make for a huge bobble-head style helmet (and heavy one too). I believe the HJC's use a couple of different sizes, but are still in the affordable range. More expensive helmets use different shell sizes for each size, or two sizes max. Ask your local shop. They should hopefully carry a variety of brands and be able to speak intelligently about all of them, and helmets in general. If not, do your research online, but still sample and buy local. My #2 recommendation is to ignore my list and make your own. The internet if full of ass-hats, and with enough of personal experience of your own, if you find that your experiences are very different than mine, you may decide that I am one of 'em. But hey, at least I gave you my honest opinion. I tried to buy a helmet locally but prices are absurd...no less than $500 at the local shops for shitty helmets with an SA rating. Its hard to find anything aside from Bell or Arai. Hell, the same shops are the ones trying to charge me $800-1200 to corner balance my car, lol. |
Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 623489)
Wouldn't it be nice if the damn helmet manufacturers would list weights!?! Hustler's BlackOps carbon helmet looks like a great buy but while they claim lightness they don't prove it by giving us real numbers.
Unless you're going to be doing multi-hour races, weight isn't a huge concern, IMHO. --Ian |
Having a neck collar helps a HUGE amount with the helmet weight. They aren't neck protection as some people think. They are a fire safety item and help support the helmet. My heavy Pyrotech feels just dandy with a collar on.
http://store.racequip.com/images/pro...et_support.jpg |
Can anyone post up a few good links to reputable online stores that have good prices on helmets? I am looking to get into some track racing and need a good helmet, but don't want to spend a ton of money. I'd like to stay around 200-250 as far as price goes.
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Anything without an SA05/SA2010 sticker is a waste of money. I would have no problem buying an SA05 lid right now, since you want to replace it every 5 years anyway. My Bell is ~6 years old at this point and it's due for replacement.
Fitment is absolutely crucial. There are 3 tests I use when I'm helping someone look at helmets. Put the helmet on, fasten the strap, and then do these 3 things: 1. Shake your head left to right as hard as you can. If the helmet doesn't shake with your head (i.e. if it deviates by more than an inch or so) it's too big. 2. Try and remove the helmet from your head with the strap fastened. If you can do it, it's too big. 3. Wear the helmet for as long as you can in the store - 30 minutes if possible. The slightest pressure on your forehead will turn into a headache within 30 minutes - if you feel any headache after 30 minutes, it's too small. This is the most important test. Beyond that, I vastly prefer a tinted visor, but that's personal preference. I use a Bell Sport 3 with SA00 regs. |
This is my helmet:
http://www.gprdirect.com/media/catal...agp6-349_1.jpg |
That carbon fiber helmet looks bad ass, sure looks super cool.
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And I bet it comes with a bad-ass price tag too!
Any luck yet David? |
Originally Posted by hustler
(Post 626600)
This is my helmet:
http://www.gprdirect.com/media/catal...agp6-349_1.jpg |
What about fit? I have fit many helmets for our pilots but am not sure if the same procedures can be done with a race helmet. The helmets we use have inserts that can be shimmed with Velcro pads for loose areas and the foam can be heated and shaped to relieve hot spots. We add weight to balance the helmet and the inner liner can be removed to be washed.
I have worn a few at the auto-crosses and the HPDE events I have been to and have been looking but none of the venders can answer my questions. |
Originally Posted by DOHCPanther
(Post 631793)
What about fit? I have fit many helmets for our pilots but am not sure if the same procedures can be done with a race helmet. The helmets we use have inserts that can be shimmed with Velcro pads for loose areas and the foam can be heated and shaped to relieve hot spots. We add weight to balance the helmet and the inner liner can be removed to be washed.
I have worn a few at the auto-crosses and the HPDE events I have been to and have been looking but none of the venders can answer my questions. from like 5 posts up:
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 626240)
Fitment is absolutely crucial. There are 3 tests I use when I'm helping someone look at helmets. Put the helmet on, fasten the strap, and then do these 3 things:
1. Shake your head left to right as hard as you can. If the helmet doesn't shake with your head (i.e. if it deviates by more than an inch or so) it's too big. 2. Try and remove the helmet from your head with the strap fastened. If you can do it, it's too big. 3. Wear the helmet for as long as you can in the store - 30 minutes if possible. The slightest pressure on your forehead will turn into a headache within 30 minutes - if you feel any headache after 30 minutes, it's too small. This is the most important test. |
The place that I always use is Smileys Race Shop and I think there area few in the Dallas area. I went there and tried on all the helmets without really caring about who made them. The best fitting one that I found for me was a large Simpson Bandit. It alleviated all the headaches I was getting from my cheap Pyrotech that I got with my Lemons Cheap as Dirt racing kit.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 631885)
Different brands fit differently, find the brand that fits your head best.
To reiterate, fit rules above all else. Go to a store like Sube Sports that carries many brands, try on all of them. I mean really take your time with it. Ignore price during the process, you're just trying to determine which brand fits your skull best. Then try out that brand's model(s) that is in your price range. Again, fit > everything. |
Bell Sport 3, looks dorky, fits nice. I forget I'm wearing it.
Tinted Visors make everything look sexy |
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