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cjsafski 11-13-2013 01:16 PM

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Dunning Kruger Affect 11-13-2013 01:23 PM

It's where a bunch of middle aged dudes who are engineers, doctors, or pilots go to drive in circles and touch each others gear shifters.

sixshooter 11-13-2013 02:30 PM

I usually say I am doing "open track days at tracks like Sebring and Road Atlanta". If further explanation is needed I tell them "I don't race in a particular class, but run with everything from full-on race cars to street cars to see who I can pass or who can pass me. We're just out there to develop our skills, develop our cars, and have a good time driving hard in a controlled and relatively safe environment."

Ryan_G 11-13-2013 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1072989)
I usually say I am doing "open track days at tracks like Sebring and Road Atlanta". If further explanation is needed I tell them "I don't race in a particular class, but run with everything from full-on race cars to street cars to see who I can pass or who can pass me. We're just out there to develop our skills, develop our cars, and have a good time driving hard in a controlled and relatively safe environment."

This^

Everyone still asks me when is the next time I am going racing though. I have found it's not worth correcting them. The difference is lost on those not in the know.

hornetball 11-13-2013 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1072962)
It's where a bunch of middle aged dudes who are engineers, doctors, or pilots go to drive in circles and touch each others gear shifters.

OK . . . this one hit a little too close to home. You work for NSA?

Double O 86 11-14-2013 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1072989)
"I don't race in a particular class, but run with everything from full-on race cars to street cars to see who I can pass or who can pass me. We're just out there to develop our skills, develop our cars, and have a good time driving hard in a controlled and relatively safe environment."

"Gentlemen racing"

If they still don't understand, I e-mail them a few YouTube videos.

k24madness 11-15-2013 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Double O 86 (Post 1073472)
"Gentlemen racing"


The HPDE experience varies from club to club and group to group making it difficult to summarize IMHO. I think the "gentleman racing" is the best single description possible in the highest run groups.

robertcope 11-15-2013 12:24 PM

I think using the word 'racing' in the HPDE context is a bad idea for a lot of reasons. It sets the wrong mentality for potential participants. It's not a race and it shouldn't be anything even close to resembling a race.

I just tell them it is where we get together to learn and practice how to drive fast.

robert

EricJ 11-15-2013 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Double O 86 (Post 1073472)
"Gentlemen racing"

When I hear "Gentlemen racing", my mental image is Historic Car racing.

For me:
HPDE = "Training" with an instructor and "Practice" without.
I usually try to emphasize this is not wheel to wheel racing as we aren't required all the safety gear a 'Race' car requires. Also passing is done only on the straights with point-by's.

sixshooter 11-15-2013 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by EricJ (Post 1073704)
Also passing is done only on the straights with point-by's.

^If you are a peasant.

/DE4 post :dealwithit:


lol

DaveC 11-15-2013 07:41 PM

Words like "practice" and "training" naturally lead to the question of when you're going to do the thing you're practicing and training for.

Me, I always tell the truth (about HPDE): it's just a chance to drive my car around a race track as fast as I can, or as fast as I want anyway. That's reason enough as far as I'm concerned.

As for having an instructor in the passanger seat, I usually appreciate the tips but I'm not there for training. I'm there to drive around a race track as fast as I can. The instructor is there only because they wouldn't let me on the track without one.

Sorry if that's not serious enough for some of you. I do try hard to stay out of the way. :party:

Seefo 11-15-2013 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by DaveC (Post 1073813)
Words like "practice" and "training" naturally lead to the question of when you're going to do the thing you're practicing and training for.

Me, I always tell the truth (about HPDE): it's just a chance to drive my car around a race track as fast as I can, or as fast as I want anyway. That's reason enough as far as I'm concerned.

As for having an instructor in the passanger seat, I usually appreciate the tips but I'm not there for training. I'm there to drive around a race track as fast as I can. The instructor is there only because they wouldn't let me on the track without one.

Sorry if that's not serious enough for some of you. I do try hard to stay out of the way. :party:

I find that I learn more with an experienced instructor in my car. Or a racer.

wannafbody 11-16-2013 12:08 AM

Racing is like having sex. HPDE is like having safe sex.

sixshooter 11-19-2013 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by wannafbody (Post 1073844)
HPDE is like having safe sex.

Because you are less likely to ruin your junk but are still glad you are there?
Makes sense.

I like to say "It's a lot better than watching somebody else play football."

Dunning Kruger Affect 11-19-2013 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1074843)
Because you are less likely to ruin your junk but are still glad you are there?
Makes sense.

I like to say "It's a lot better than watching somebody else play football."

It's slightly less expensive than getting completely smashed at your place watching football and getting a DUI on the way home.

pikachukiat 11-19-2013 06:13 PM

its like go karting with your own car on a 3x scale.

Double O 86 11-20-2013 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by k24madness (Post 1073683)
I think the "gentleman racing" is the best single description possible in the highest run groups.

Of course; why are we still talking about this?

If further proof is needed, watch this video:
It shows a Time Trial session, but it could very well be an advanced run group in any HPDE event. The point is, it looks just like racing, but "Gentlemen Racing".
:2cents:

Braineack 11-20-2013 01:21 PM


jacob300zx 11-25-2013 11:18 AM

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I think everyones HPDE/TT experience can be different. I like to ask forgiveness before permission. Here are some random track day images I snagged off my facebook. None of these cars are "racecars" caged. All pictures were screened for illegal activity, some pictures were removed.

160mph down the straight at TWS, we were allowed to run the high speed banking leading to the straight for one session.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385396310

Camping at the track
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Miata Challange track day at HHR, all people pictured are MT members in their driving suits as worn that day.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Spoolin2bars drag racing a Viper
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Miata purchased from a used car lot 5 weeks before, threw 2k at it and won MC street class and beat all modified drivers too. Earlier in the day I had Khakis, button up shirt, and leather boat shoes on.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Friend sleeping in my trunk, so I drove around like that and ran track errands.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Corpus track crew 2009?
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Drunken party at a race shop in MSRH
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

My Dad and sister battling on grassy PCA track
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Redline event at VIR
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Standing water in a turbo street Miata with 205 tires yikes!
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Got bored and drifted the grassy PCA track for a whole session, no fucks given
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1385397174

Hustler cooking dinner with his front license plate
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Texas Miata Challange group photo with shotgun
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Working on buddies car
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Did I mention working on buddies cars?
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ps4154e86e.jpg

This is what HPDE/trackdays has been like for me, YMMV

psreynol 11-27-2013 12:08 AM

these images are awesome, so funny and true.

like a distinct stage of a illness. I remember trying to explain to people. totally dont even bother talking about it unless they drag it out with interesting info of their own... like building whatever car to start doing de.


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