Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1391595)
It's a good example of why you should buy suspension from a Miata vendor with performance chops vs. buying off-the-shelf Taiwan coilovers.
There are so many bad spring rate coilover sets on the market. |
450/350 isn't really that bad, although with the RB bar it will understeer without a rear bar to balance it out. Not saying it's ideal, but it can get the job done.
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Originally Posted by cabowabo
(Post 1391609)
450/350 isn't really that bad, although with the RB bar it will understeer without a rear bar to balance it out. Not saying it's ideal, but it can get the job done.
450/350 will oversteer in all situations regardless of swaybar combo, BTW. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1391612)
I disagree. I field calls all the time from people who have trouble with oversteer after buying coilovers with mismatched spring rates. 450/350 will never handle correctly, regardless of what sways you throw at it.
450/350 will oversteer in all situations regardless of swaybar combo, BTW. (That said, I have a set of Xida sitting in a box waiting to go on.) |
Originally Posted by x_25
(Post 1391820)
Then I must have something really far off on my setup. I have 450/350 on koni yellow with Millen Motorsports front bar (solid 1") and stock rear, and I have issues with understeer.
(That said, I have a set of Xida sitting in a box waiting to go on.) |
Consider that Spec Miatas run 700/375 with a slightly larger rear bar, but you claim to have understeer with 450/350. By that math, SMs should push horribly, but they don't. If you two have issues with understeer, it's setup or old/bad tires.
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Sounds like you guys have stock or FM alignments.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1391823)
Consider that Spec Miatas run 700/375 with a slightly larger rear bar, but you claim to have understeer with 450/350. By that math, SMs should push horribly, but they don't. If you two have issues with understeer, it's setup or old/bad tires.
Weights are 2494 with driver FL660 FR600 LR638 RR595. And again, 450/350 on koni yellow with 1" solid front and stock 1990 rear. If you can tell me why it understeers that would be great, because everything I have read says it shouldn't but it does. Could also be inexperianced driver? Camber is maxed for the ride height. I am adding ELBJs to fix that while I put the Xidas on this winter. |
Driving style. Are you pushing into the apex to scrub speed?
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So you have front toe in and you wonder why the car pushes?
e: 0.3deg toe in on a 23" tire is 1/8" total front toe in. If you look up "how to make my car not rotate at all under any circumstances", you'll find "front toe in". Fix your awful alignment :) |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1391834)
So you have front toe in and you wonder why the car pushes? :)
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1391834)
0.3deg toe in on a 23" tire is 1/8" total front toe in. If you look up "how to make my car not rotate at all under any circumstances", you'll find "front toe in". Fix your awful alignment :)
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Yes, 1/8" front toe in is more than enough to compensate for improper spring rates. That is causing all of your problems.
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Just to back up the recommendations for the smaller RB 1.125" sway bar:
Most MSM buyers prefer the RB 1.125" front sway bar despite the 1.25" being recommended by RB (I originally had the larger bar and switched to the 1.125" bar after I'd had a track day with it). The OEM MSM rear sway bar is 14mm and is typically kept. |
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