Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 770944)
Will it be stiffer on a 10"? Yes. Will it be faster than 9" wheel? I don't think so when talking about stock bodywork. That extra 26mm will be hanging on the outside if the car exposed to air. It's going to come down to the lessor of evils. I feel the 245 is better suited to the 9" rim on a stock body. The only way to find out is for someone to do the back to back testing.
Bob |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 770992)
I would agree with you if this were bench racing. however the same logic was proven wrong by a large margin on past occasions with 225's. Every 225 I have tried was faster when mounted on a rim nearly an inch wider than the tire manufacturer recommended. So I won't take anybodies word on this subject based on this logic without some credible people actually trying it.
Bob I for one look forward to seeing some actual data. |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 771000)
I for one look forward to seeing some actual data.
205 NT-01 on 7 vs 8 - 8 is faster 205 R6 on 7 vs 8 - 8 is faster 225 nt-01 on 8 vs 9 - 9 is faster 225 R6/A6 on 8 vs 9 - 9 is faster 225 RS3 on 8 vs 9 - 9 is faster IIRC CoralDoc in Florida said that a couple of the folks down there have run a 205 Hoosier R6 on a 9" wheel and said it was better than the same tire on an 8" wheel (also said that the 205/50 R6 had a wider tread patch than a 225/45 RA1, both on 8" wheels). The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. |
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 770944)
Will it be stiffer on a 10"? Yes. Will it be faster than 9" wheel? I don't think so when talking about stock bodywork. That extra 26mm will be hanging on the outside if the car exposed to air. It's going to come down to the lessor of evils.
The aero is worse with a 10" wide wheel, and this aero penalty will outweigh the benefits of the wider wheel (namely improved traction on corner exit) My rebuttal: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1315957057 |
Guys keep in mind all of your examples are from DOT-R tires. We are talking about a true racing slick here with VERY stiff sidewalls. I have played with LOTS of slicks on other marques so even though I have a low post count I am not exactly a newbie.
Stay open to what I am saying and let the results speak for them self. Nothing to be gained by taking such a firm stance on the matter one way or the other. |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 770944)
Will it be stiffer on a 10"? Yes. Will it be faster than 9" wheel? I don't think so when talking about stock bodywork. That extra 26mm will be hanging on the outside if the car exposed to air. It's going to come down to the lessor of evils. I feel the 245 is better suited to the 9" rim on a stock body. The only way to find out is for someone to do the back to back testing.
Anybody running this amount of tire and spending this much money should have already incorporated a splitter, wheel spats, and canards. ///STFU and post data if you want to continue the argument, and post an into thread or I'll have you banned |
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 771024)
Anybody running this amount of tire and spending this much money should have already incorporated a splitter, wheel spats, and canards.
///STFU douche |
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 771024)
///STFU and post data if you want to continue the aurgument, and post an into thread or I'll have you banned I see you changed your first response. It was a intelligent debate until you piped it. No need of wasting my time here if that's the attitude. |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 770865)
This car Im thinking of building would incorporate tubbed inner fenders and most likely drop spindles. A seriously well thought out cage integrated into a structurally lightened chassis Simi tube frame maybe move some stuff around to optimize weight distribution. I’m getting some take off tires in a couple weeks to start playing with and am sort of looking for a cheap mostly straight chassis to start hacking on.
Bob |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 771037)
Go for it.
I see you changed your first response. It was a intelligent debate until you piped it. No need of wasting my time here if that's the attitude. |
Cut the crap guys, youve both stated your side of the argument, no need to start insulting each other.
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 771023)
Guys keep in mind all of your examples are from DOT-R tires. We are talking about a true racing slick here with VERY stiff sidewalls. I have played with LOTS of slicks on other marques so even though I have a low post count I am not exactly a newbie.
Stay open to what I am saying and let the results speak for them self. Nothing to be gained by taking such a firm stance on the matter one way or the other. I have spoken with Hoosier when developing both the 9" and 10" versions of the 6UL. This goes back before the 275 existed and I was talking to Jeff Speer about a 245/40. When they decided to do a 275 instead, he contacted me because he knew I was working on a 9" wheel. I think I was the first guy to post the 275 news on a forum. Anyway, I talked to an engineer there about the 275 and whether it needed an 10.5 or 11" wheel and he said that due to its cantilevered design, the 10.5 or 11 would not give it any more support than a 10" wheel. Thus, we made a 10" wheel. The non DoT slick isn't cantilevered though so its needs a wider wheel relative to it's tread width. If you have ever obtain any conclusive data under controlled conditions (same car/day/driver/track/weather/setup) that shows the 245/580R15 Hoosier is faster on a 9 than a 10" wheel, I'd like to see it. Class they're designed for is both SCCA STU and Grand Am, both limited to 8" wheels for some cars. We supply wheels to a Grand Am team running a Mini that uses a version of this tire (Conti) on an 8" 6UL. |
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 771046)
I have customer that built a Miata something like this. His solution to the roll center problem was to sorta channel the tub and lower the body on the frame rails. Has to be a class that allows that but I think it might be the easiest way to fix that without custom spindles.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1316041984 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1316041984 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1316041984 Bob |
^ That car is tits
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Originally Posted by ZX-Tex
(Post 771438)
^ That car is tits
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Who makes those wheels?
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I think Keiser (Keizer?). Made to your specs.
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Ah, you're right. The Keizers don't have that distinctive little cutout on the spoke.
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I guess with all the logic being thrown around by some all the extra frontal area will make my car slow when I build a car around these bad boys.
275/35/15 DOT Hoosier versus 23.5X11R16 Hoosier Radial slicks. Not sure yet if I will use 16X10 or 16X11 wheels. They acually look good mounted on 10's https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...4&d=1317098216 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...5&d=1317098216[/QUOTE] Bob |
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