Unless a factory shaped HT must be used, a fastback setup using glass (not Lexan) is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by Blackbird
(Post 1452892)
Unless a factory shaped HT must be used, a fastback setup using glass (not Lexan) is the way to go.
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For Gridlife street class you're required to run glass, so that's in order to comply with the rules.
The OEM HT doesn't have all that great of a shape, fastback is better. |
Oh I thought there was pretty good parity between GTA and Gridlife, guess that is not the case. At GTA lexan is allowed for aftermarket hard tops since glass for them can be either expensive or non-existent in some cases.
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Originally Posted by ThePass
(Post 1452889)
NA and NB are 64". We just measured the cars rather than googling it, go figure ;)
Originally Posted by ThePass
(Post 1452889)
We were just discussing this with Austin who is one of the event organizers at Gridlife. Yes this applies to aftermarket hardtops as well. There was an S2000 with aftermarket hardtop that faced this problem recently. Yes, this is bad news for a street class Miata.
So... Good news for a Street class miata! ;)
Originally Posted by Arca_ex
(Post 1452982)
Oh I thought there was pretty good parity between GTA and Gridlife, guess that is not the case. At GTA lexan is allowed for aftermarket hard tops since glass for them can be either expensive or non-existent in some cases.
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That's great news.
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Nevermind
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2018 Ruleset released:
Streetmod: TIME ATTACK RULES ? #GRIDLIFE CHASSIS / AERO 4. All aero must remain within 5” of the OEM lines as viewed from above. Rear wings may be as wide as the distance between side mirrors. 10. No component of the rear wing air foil may be higher than the highest point of the vehicle structure. Radio antennas are not considered part of the vehicle structure. Width of the rear wing must be within the OEM body lines. Height exceptions of 4” are allowed for hatchbacks and wagons. I know how I want it to be interpreted... |
Seems a little off to use two difference references for wing with.
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My guess is that it's like that to prevent someone from putting on aftermarket mirrors that are 2 feet wider than stock.
OEM body lines will likely be interpreted as OEM mirror width. |
OEM body lines is also used in reference to other aero, and in that context it sure sounds like it would not include the mirrors in the width.
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I read the same seeming contradiction... sounds like a quick email to Adam might be in order.
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Clarification:
Maximum wing width for StreetMod is the same as the measurement from the tip of one mirror to the tip of the other OR 5" wider than OEM body lines (Not including mirrors) whichever is greater. All other Aero is 5" from OEM body lines. This means that a Miata without side mirrors that measures 64" at it's widest point may have a wing that measures 74" This means that a Miata with side mirrors that measures 76" from one mirror tip to the other may have a wing that measures 76" This rule was introduced to accommodate commonly available off-the-shelf wings for BMWs that exceeded the 5" rule but did not exceed the side mirror width. |
thanks for the clarification... that would be significantly more wing for us too.
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Wing has been acquired. GTC-250. I will need to get some bigger end plates.
Attachment 229648 Attachment 229649 |
That's a GTC-300. 3D wing
The GT-250 is the 2D wing but yeah, moar end plate. |
Isn't the 2D GT250 going to be the more preferred wing here due to less drag? Or are we just throwing MOAR POWER at this equation?
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L/D ratio of the GT-250 is better than any of the APR 3D wings. The strength of a 3D wing is when you have to mount it low to the deck. In such a case, the air stream hitting the foil is moving up at the edges of the car and moving downward in the center. The mistake we see so often is taking a nice 3D wing and mounting it so high that only one section of the foil is at the correct angle with the other angled section completely stalled. If the entire air stream is hitting the foil at the same angle a 3D foil is awful.
You'll notice most OEM 3D shaped foils have a long gradual transition to AOA that is usually determined with CFD and tunnel time. Most aftermarket 3D foils have a very abrupt transition from the two angles. Problem here is that you have a small chance of having that twist transition coincide perfectly with the air stream direction change that is actually happening on your car. In practice, and aftermarket 3D foil will almost always have some portion of the foil that is contributing nothing but drag. What's worse is this stalled section messes with the flow next to it that is technically at the correct AOA for the air stream flow direction If you are getting the idea that I think an aftermarket 3D wing is to be avoided if you are allowed to/can afford a 2D, you be right. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1457104)
That's a GTC-300. 3D wing
The GT-250 is the 2D wing but yeah, moar end plate. |
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