More air flow and thermal management
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Added brake ducts and ducting to my oil cooler.
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Your car is hooked up to the matrix. :giggle: Seriously that's cool. You got any track footage available online?
https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/att...8-p1010008.jpg |
Wow, you just beat us to it as we're in exactly the same process (brake ducts).
I see no ABS on your car. Do you thing that would still fit? What size hose is that? 3"? |
Nice ducting to brakes... giving me some ideas as that's where I'm at currently (brake ducting, wing and splitter)... :bigtu:
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I like what you did there... Looks good man. On the brake duct units that mount to the backside of the spindle, did you make those or are they the ones at ISC? Also... Is there any reason you have the two ducts for the oil cooler dumping in-front of it rather than making a shroud and attaching them it 'directly'?
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tell me those are Penseke shocks and not Toicko Blues.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 539618)
tell me those are Penseke shocks and not Toicko Blues.
It is a trick. they are revalved Koni Sports with DIY extended travel sperical ball top mounts and 2-1/4" 700/400 hypercoils. They were rusty so I painted them. Shock upgrade is high on my list when funds become available. These have worked well for a long time and years ago when I made the setup there wasn't much of anything available that was better. Bob |
Originally Posted by thagr81 us
(Post 539616)
I like what you did there... Looks good man. On the brake duct units that mount to the backside of the spindle, did you make those or are they the ones at ISC? Also... Is there any reason you have the two ducts for the oil cooler dumping in-front of it rather than making a shroud and attaching them it 'directly'?
Bob |
Originally Posted by turotufas
(Post 539567)
Your car is hooked up to the matrix. :giggle: Seriously that's cool. You got any track footage available online?
Bob |
I agree on the dumping in-front is better than nothing at all. In my plans for my track car I am doing something similar only with a shroud and puller fan on the backside of the oil cooler to maximize the cooling potential of the exchanger. Looks good regardless.
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Looks like I need to make a trip up north to check this car out in person. I hear there is an auto-x next month. If my car is sorted out, that might be a good time...
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Excellent. These mods are on my list of things to do. Was just going to weld onto the oem heatshield though, to lazy to pester friend to do an AL version... well he's to lazy also.
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Originally Posted by Spookyfish
(Post 539571)
Wow, you just beat us to it as we're in exactly the same process (brake ducts).
I see no ABS on your car. Do you thing that would still fit? What size hose is that? 3"? I bought 4 of these. NACA Ducts - 3" to 2-1/2" NACA Duct Adapter I heated them and formed them and cut them to more or less fit two per opening on the GV lip spoiler, pop riveted them to the opening in the spoiler and black siliconed up the gaps. The ABS sensor mounts directly where I have the hose connected. it would have to be a bit different with ABS. Bob |
Originally Posted by Jeff_Ciesielski
(Post 539675)
Looks like I need to make a trip up north to check this car out in person. I hear there is an auto-x next month. If my car is sorted out, that might be a good time...
Bob, i'm just about to pick up some spindles from Kurt to build very similar brake ducts. I helped fabricate some for my friend's Pro3 racecar that are similar but a little more to them and 3" instead of 2.5" Also, i have been thinking about where to put a damned oil cooler and that was the exact spot that kept rolling through my head. I need to talk to you about welding some aluminum. I need a better outlet on my compressor and i'm not paying 50-60 bucks for the ATP adapter. |
Originally Posted by Jeff_Ciesielski
(Post 539675)
Looks like I need to make a trip up north to check this car out in person. I hear there is an auto-x next month. If my car is sorted out, that might be a good time...
Bob |
Originally Posted by wayne_curr
(Post 539696)
He wont be at that autox because for some reason bob would rather be lapping at MRLS :asshole:
Bob, i'm just about to pick up some spindles from Kurt to build very similar brake ducts. I helped fabricate some for my friend's Pro3 racecar that are similar but a little more to them and 3" instead of 2.5" Also, i have been thinking about where to put a damned oil cooler and that was the exact spot that kept rolling through my head. I need to talk to you about welding some aluminum. I need a better outlet on my compressor and i'm not paying 50-60 bucks for the ATP adapter. I can weld on an outlet no problem. Bob |
Bob, you should turn your oil cooler over (inlet and outlet at the top). You aren't using all of it otherwise.
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Damn. I've gotta get to work. You've got those Wilwood Mini Cooper brakes up front + all that ducting now. Trying to give Sav, Emilio & Bellwilliam a run for their money?
Gonna be at that April 22nd Alfa club day at Pacific? |
I would almost be inclided to enclose the oil cooler to maximize frlow through it from the ducts, but then you would be missing out on the cooling from the rest of the air moving over it.
Something to think about I supose Looks good though! |
Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie
(Post 539845)
I would almost be inclided to enclose the oil cooler to maximize frlow through it from the ducts, but then you would be missing out on the cooling from the rest of the air moving over it.
Something to think about I supose Looks good though! Bob |
Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 539830)
Damn. I've gotta get to work. You've got those Wilwood Mini Cooper brakes up front + all that ducting now. Trying to give Sav, Emilio & Bellwilliam a run for their money?
Gonna be at that April 22nd Alfa club day at Pacific? I haven’t had much brake issues since I pioneered the use of the Mini Cooper kit and started using Cobalt Friction XR2 pads but now for sure I will not have a problem. The most recent upgrade to the brakes was swapping to a 929 1” master cylinder. What a huge improvement in feel that was. Next brake upgrade will be swapping out the rear calipers to ones with bigger pistons from a late gen M2 with the bigger sport brakes. Should allow me to adjust the willwood bias valve to something other than full rear I think. Bob |
I'm hoping to make that 22nd alfa day. Depends on my vacation schedule. I know my wife and I are doing some traveling in April, just not sure of the dates.
I thought you were using the Wilwood Civic kit in the rear? Not happy with the bite from those? Ditched those and went back to the stock caliper for the E-brake feature? I'll look at that 929 MC. Even with stock brakes I've always thought the pedal was a little mushy. I've got a set of the Mini Cooper Dynapro's like yours to go on the front along with RX7 rears with brackets that allow for a vented 11" rotor in back. Trying to decide on the right combination of calipers and discs for my usage though. Removing some of the shims I could use those big dynapro's on the front with an 11" rotor and keep with the stock rears. My Kosei's would fit fine that way where the Dynapro's with the 11.75 rotor is too big for them without a big shim. |
Stainless steel lines would help with that mushy pedal Casey, mine's certainly not mushy, and it's the only difference in our systems beyond your Corroded rotor setup.
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Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 540047)
I'm hoping to make that 22nd alfa day. Depends on my vacation schedule. I know my wife and I are doing some traveling in April, just not sure of the dates.
I thought you were using the Wilwood Civic kit in the rear? Not happy with the bite from those? Ditched those and went back to the stock caliper for the E-brake feature? I'll look at that 929 MC. Even with stock brakes I've always thought the pedal was a little mushy. I've got a set of the Mini Cooper Dynapro's like yours to go on the front along with RX7 rears with brackets that allow for a vented 11" rotor in back. Trying to decide on the right combination of calipers and discs for my usage though. Removing some of the shims I could use those big dynapro's on the front with an 11" rotor and keep with the stock rears. My Kosei's would fit fine that way where the Dynapro's with the 11.75 rotor is too big for them without a big shim. I have stock calipers in the rear the rotor and hat I’m using in the rear is from a wilwood Drag race kit for a Civic. They are 11.44” diameter. The non vented steel rotors that wildwood sells suck though, So I had custom rear rotors made out of cast Iron from Coleman Racing. Which Kosi wheels do you have? I have used the older Kosi K1’s with no spacers and they fit fine. Probably the tightest fit of the wheels I have tried but they fit. The RX7 rear caliper is a better match I think because of piston diameter. It should correct the two far forward bias nature of the stock system. But I have also discovered the Stock rear calipers from a big brake NB have the same piston diameter as the RX7 calipers and will fit on the earlier NA/NB caliper brackets so it is an easy swap for me. Bob |
Let us know how that turns out Bob... Would be interesting to see if you can improve on your current system.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 540385)
I have stock calipers in the rear the rotor and hat I’m using in the rear is from a wilwood Drag race kit for a Civic. They are 11.44” diameter. The non vented steel rotors that wildwood sells suck though, So I had custom rear rotors made out of cast Iron from Coleman Racing.
Which Kosi wheels do you have? I have used the older Kosi K1’s with no spacers and they fit fine. Probably the tightest fit of the wheels I have tried but they fit. The RX7 rear caliper is a better match I think because of piston diameter. It should correct the two far forward bias nature of the stock system. But I have also discovered the Stock rear calipers from a big brake NB have the same piston diameter as the RX7 calipers and will fit on the earlier NA/NB caliper brackets so it is an easy swap for me. Bob My Kosei's are K1's also. I'm still working on the brake system. Haven't fiddled with spacing yet. As they were set up when I got them they just barely touched. I'm working on shimming them differently but I'm slow and lazy and haven't spent much time on it yet. It's a daily driver so I have to make sure it stays drivable while I'm screwing with it. Let me say a BIG THANK YOU for your great write up on the brakes. That page has been favorited for about a year now. Just now actually doing something with it. |
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 540065)
Stainless steel lines would help with that mushy pedal Casey, mine's certainly not mushy, and it's the only difference in our systems beyond your Corroded rotor setup.
I'm thinking the mushy has more to do with difficulty bleeding the brakes with the ABS system. Pretty common problem/headache. |
Originally Posted by cueball1
(Post 540528)
My Kosei's are K1's also. I'm still working on the brake system. Haven't fiddled with spacing yet. As they were set up when I got them they just barely touched. I'm working on shimming them differently but I'm slow and lazy and haven't spent much time on it yet. It's a daily driver so I have to make sure it stays drivable while I'm screwing with it.
Let me say a BIG THANK YOU for your great write up on the brakes. That page has been favorited for about a year now. Just now actually doing something with it. |
Same offset as mine. Like I said, it may be fiddling with the spacers. These calipers might be shimmed out just a touch too far on the radial bolts.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 539869)
Yea I can’t just look at it and tell which would be better without measurement or more in depth analysis And heck I've spent part of my working career modeling airflow through automotive cooling systems and in engine compartments.
Bob |
Bob: got any write up on 929 MC ? I've been to parts stores a few time, never could get the right parts. my brakes has always been mushy.
I better start clean up my car for MRLS. Bob is bringing his monster !! |
Originally Posted by bellwilliam
(Post 540665)
Bob: got any write up on 929 MC ? I've been to parts stores a few time, never could get the right parts. my brakes has always been mushy.
I better start clean up my car for MRLS. Bob is bringing his monster !! Some interesting brake information (tech!) - Page 2 - MX-5 Miata Forum Basically you need a booster from a later model Miata that came with the bigger sport brakes, a 1” 929 Master cylinder, and you need to redo some hard lines by the Master cylinder. I haven’t figured out the difference between the ABS and non ABS 929 MC it might be that one has 2 front brake ports in it like my stock miata one did. The 929 one I used only had 1 outlet for front brakes and 1 outlet for rear brakes and I had to add a T to the front brakes. A 10mmX1 tap with a modified tip can be used to change an SAE 3/8" inverted flare T into a metric inverted flare T. dosnt seem to be any metric T's avalable and this is much esyer to do than flaring new hard lines. Bob |
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