You would have 4 lines in total. Two from block to remote oil mount, two from thermostat to oil cooler. thermostat and remote oil mount are sandwiched.
as for mocal: I'm cheap. |
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Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 1153188)
Is there any thermostatic sandwich plate worth considering? The Mocal one is extra-baller, but a bit rich for my blood.
I was thinking something more like the $30 derale thermostatic adapter GM version is OK, although I vastly prefer the BSPP/Dowty seal setup that Mocal uses over NPT. I also don't see a GM-style 1/2" adapter in the proper M20 thread. IMO, the added cost is worth it. Mocal is what OEMs use when they need a sandwich plate adapter. It's $122 including the adapters and Dowty seals, so we're not talking about a several hundred dollar difference.
Originally Posted by krissetsfire
(Post 1153195)
Can you please be more specific about this? What does the warmer accomplish by being in place? A lot of people have 1.8+ swapped into their 90-93. As I'm re-using my 1.6 oil cooler I'm sure others are too. I.E. I don't have the warmer . I do have a fancy glow shift plate. :party:
Originally Posted by Dustin1824
(Post 1153196)
See, I took a look at the TSE kit, and thought "Do I want my oil thermostat to open at 180*? That seems low..."
Does anyone know if 180* for the oil is too low? Does anyone know what temperature range oil stays at during street driving with a stock setup(no cooler)? https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1406833708 edit: Correction, 205*F sandwich adapters are in such low demand that Mocal does not stock them, so I can't get them without a large pre-order. |
Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 1153188)
Is there any thermostatic sandwich plate worth considering? The Mocal one is extra-baller, but a bit rich for my blood.
I was thinking something more like the $30 derale thermostatic adapter |
So n/a car with a/c it's preferable to mount the oil cooler in FRONT of the radiator? How come I saw Emilio put the oil cooler in the engine compartment BEHIND the radiator in his OGK car?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...0_motor_na-jpg What about mounting the oil cooler to the steering rack like FLyin' Miata? Let's talk about oil cooler durability in the event of an off-course excursion. |
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1153239)
After using a cheap sandwich plate and then loosing oil pressure the extra money spend on a Mocal is totally worth it in my mind.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1153234)
3/8" is equivalent to -6AN.
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Originally Posted by freedomgli
(Post 1153276)
So n/a car with a/c it's preferable to mount the oil cooler in FRONT of the radiator? How come I saw Emilio put the oil cooler in the engine compartment BEHIND the radiator in his OGK car?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...0_motor_na-jpg What about mounting the oil cooler to the steering rack like FLyin' Miata? Let's talk about oil cooler durability in the event of an off-course excursion. |
Originally Posted by freedomgli
(Post 1153276)
So n/a car with a/c it's preferable to mount the oil cooler in FRONT of the radiator? How come I saw Emilio put the oil cooler in the engine compartment BEHIND the radiator in his OGK car?
What about mounting the oil cooler to the steering rack like FLyin' Miata? Let's talk about oil cooler durability in the event of an off-course excursion. |
Originally Posted by freedomgli
(Post 1153276)
So n/a car with a/c it's preferable to mount the oil cooler in FRONT of the radiator? How come I saw Emilio put the oil cooler in the engine compartment BEHIND the radiator in his OGK car?
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Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1153280)
3/8NPT is the standard pipe thread for -8 (8/16=1/2") AN fittings. 1/2NPT is the standard pipe thread for -10 (10/16 = 5/8") AN fittings. 3/8NPT is not equivalent to -6AN.
I measured a -10AN hose end I have laying around and its 0.465" ID. I haven't seen 3/8 NPT fittings go over 0.4" ID. 1/2 NPT would be better. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1406851045 |
I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but I'd be interested in opinions on their setup. Motoiq has their oil cooler mounted behind the radiator as well, but in a much different fashion.
Project S2000 - Oil Cooling |
Originally Posted by Dustin1824
(Post 1153196)
Does anyone know what temperature range oil stays at during street driving with a stock setup(no cooler)?
Thanks -Dustin I saw north of 270 degrees on mountain roads in 80 degree ambient, driving spireted but certainly nothing close to track driving. (Same car) My '99 had the same oil temp sender location ^ and similar oil temps before I put the blower back on. With the charger on, I back off when I see 280. I need an oil cooler soooon. I could easily see how a stock miata on a track on a warm day would have dangerous high oil temps. |
So the Mocal adapter has no ports for sensors does it? So would the preferred method to measure the temp and pressure with this kit would be to add a sandwich plate as well as the Mocal adapter?
Block - Factory 1.8 warmer - Mocal spacer - sensor sandwich plate - filter? Seems crazy |
Originally Posted by fail wagon
(Post 1153327)
So the preferred method to measure the temp and pressure with this kit would be to add a sandwich plate on top of the Mocal adapter?
Block - Factory 1.8 warmer - Mocal spacer - sensor sandwich plate - filter? Seems a little crazy. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1153234)
180*F is fine. Running a 180*F Mocal adapter, I used to see warmed-up street temps in the 190-200*F range. You want to get the oil up to ~180*F, but it's less about viscosity and more about heating off the fuel and water that inevitably makes its way into the crankcase as the engine operates. Changing the weight of the oil you run has a larger effect on viscosity than the difference between 180*F and 205*F. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1406833708
Originally Posted by williams805
(Post 1153314)
I had the oil temp sender in a sandwich plate and saw 230 pretty consistently. All warmed up driving down the highway in 70 degree weather on a bone stock '96 1.8L.
I saw north of 270 degrees on mountain roads in 80 degree ambient, driving spireted but certainly nothing close to track driving. (Same car) I could easily see how a stock miata on a track on a warm day would have dangerous high oil temps. Here's an interesting thought from an uninformed source: Lets say your current car hits 260* spikes during track use with 10W-30. After you install an oil cooler, you only hit 220* during track use. At 220*, 5W-20 is the same viscosity as your 10W-30 was at 260*, so in theory, you could switch to the 5W-20 because you would be at the same viscosity as before, but at much safer oil temps. Would this help free up a little bit of power safely? -Dustin |
Originally Posted by Dustin1824
(Post 1153341)
Here's an interesting thought from an uninformed source: Lets say your current car hits 260* spikes during track use with 10W-30. After you install an oil cooler, you only hit 220* during track use. At 220*, 5W-20 is the same viscosity as your 10W-30 was at 260*, so in theory, you could switch to the 5W-20 because you would be at the same viscosity as before, but at much safer oil temps. Would this help free up a little bit of power safely?
-Dustin |
Originally Posted by fail wagon
(Post 1153327)
So the Mocal adapter has no ports for sensors does it? So would the preferred method to measure the temp and pressure with this kit would be to add a sandwich plate as well as the Mocal adapter?
Block - Factory 1.8 warmer - Mocal spacer - sensor sandwich plate - filter? Seems crazy Another option is an inline AN adapter in the line going to the cooler. It won't read accurately until the thermostat opens, but you don't really care what the oil temp is below the thermostat opening point, right? Here's an expensive pre-made one: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/aa...0040/overview/ I have a 13-row Setrab on the FM steering rack mount with -10AN fittings. It works pretty well, but is definitely in a vulnerable location. One additional downside is that 13 rows is the max you can fit, I have a 19 row Mocal that I originally bought to use with it, but the fittings want to be where the sway bar is. On the plus side, the lines are nice and short. (Note that the kit FM sells uses -8 -- I agree that's too small, so I built mine with -10) --Ian |
Originally Posted by hornetball
(Post 1153279)
What caused the oil pressure loss?
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you can use this thing - its cheap ($13.97) and doesn't need extra fittings
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rus-670360/overview/ https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1406905362 |
Or Fragola, in black
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fr...8-bl/overview/ |
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