Problem with 3rd gear with 5sp ?!?
When the car is loaded, the dam thing goes to neutral instead of 3rd 50% of the time. You can't bang it home like 4th, really need to baby it and double clutch.
It was doing that last year so I changed slave cynlinder, 949 clutch line to get rid of the curly, changed engine mounts (comp), diff bushings and finally changed the tranny and put bronze bushing. I also adjusted the clutch pedal after reading Andrew post about ACT HD clutch and his advice, it helps but it did't solve it entirely. Tried Amsoil and now Lucas Oil and it's still acting weird.. Any advices, cheats and ideas ? thx guys ! |
Pretty sure the solution is supermiata engine mounts...
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he already has mounts. I'm thinking your fork might be bent or something if after all that it still does it.
what's the use of this car? you know you can't "bang" shifts like you would with other cars right? |
I understood he had mazdacomp mount, and not the beefy stiff supermiata ones, maybe he can clarify. Its a track only car.
Ben |
Another thing to consider is the other buthings in the shifter, which can also cause slop if they're worn out
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If the problem is ameliorated by double-clutching and rev-matching, what makes everyone think that engine mounts or shifter bushings are at fault? Sounds like the synchro is just toast. It happens.
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it's popping out of gear is why I thought maybe clutch fork. or the other shifter bushings.
usually with bad mounts you can't find a gear fast and precise. what he's describing sounds different |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1255617)
If the problem is ameliorated by double-clutching and rev-matching, what makes everyone think that engine mounts or shifter bushings are at fault? Sounds like the synchro is just toast. It happens.
I came in here expecting to see another tale of woe about there being no teeth left on 3rd. :) --Ian |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1255620)
it's popping out of gear is why I thought maybe clutch fork. or the other shifter bushings.
Assuming the oil has been seen to, this almost always means either a bad synchro or the clutch not releasing fully. And since it's only happening in 3rd, I assume it's not the clutch. |
I've had a couple of 5-speeds that developed a "false neutral" next to 3rd. The solution was replacement.
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Originally Posted by bigben
(Post 1255605)
Pretty sure the solution is supermiata engine mounts...
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1255608)
he already has mounts. I'm thinking your fork might be bent or something if after all that it still does it.
On 2 different transmission ? could be but what's the use of this car? you know you can't "bang" shifts like you would with other cars right?
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1255613)
Another thing to consider is the other buthings in the shifter, which can also cause slop if they're worn out
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1255637)
I read the OP as meaning that it was difficult to get the shifter into 3rd gear unless he rev-matched it just right, not that it was popping out of gear.
Assuming the oil has been seen to, this almost always means either a bad synchro or the clutch not releasing fully. And since it's only happening in 3rd, I assume it's not the clutch.
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1255663)
I've had a couple of 5-speeds that developed a "false neutral" next to 3rd. The solution was replacement.
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<p>Replace it, then sell it to a spec miata so he can rebuild it. </p>
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I will open it next month and have a look.
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Seems like the selection fork is the problem after all.. everything else do look good |
Are you planning on rebuilding it?
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Will replace the fork and try it later on..
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The aluminum that transferred onto the synchro sleeve will chew right through a new fork in no time, so you might as well wait until you get in there for the full build and replace the sleeve as well.
And given that is the 1-2 fork and sleeve, it won't solve your 3rd gear issue anyway :D |
Yep you we're right... wrong one.
Just got a 6 speed today. Will not bother with those 5's anymore. Thanks Matthew |
Lucky me, my 6 speed is from a 04 MSM (VIN#). It feels really good too.
Will try it on track next week. |
Sorry to bump an old thread, but it came up when I did a search. I had first pop out of gear today when I started my car and moved it across the street into my garage. It's never happened before and it kinda freaked me out.
Is this something that worn shifter bushings etc can cause or is it usually a sign of worn synchro's/forks etc. I'm not going to worry about it till it's something that happens more frequently, but I was curious. It's also first, which is a gear that I can likely live without given the fact that I have a 4.3 and a setup that's going to be boosted. |
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