Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1117680)
Thanks guys. I'll report back after some further testing and sway bar swaps.
54107 for DOT tires. I use the 54106 1.25" bar for anything 225 Hoosier or bigger. I think Bundy uses a custom 1.25" too. |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1117680)
Thanks guys. I'll report back after some further testing and sway bar swaps.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 1117706)
The 1.25" racing beat front bar is hugely stiff compared to the 1.125” the difference between the two is drastic if you swap between those two you will likely have to do other changes to get some balance back.
Crusher on 225 R6's with full aero at NASA nationals (Miller) was seeing sustained 1.6g on the flat turns with long peaks of 1.75g in a few of the slightly cambered turns. That was 900/500 with the 54106 bar IIRC. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1117742)
Yup. 250 in/lbs raw rate difference and they don't overlap. I found >1100lbs/in sway bar rate started to become necessary at around 1.55G sustained at typical race ride heights and 2100-2400lbs, give or take. So that's 225 Hoosiers or more. We use the 54106 for that. For 205 Hoosiers or harder compound 225's (less grip), the 1.125 x .188" wall and the 14mm seems to work over a variety of spring rates and vehicle weights.
Crusher on 225 R6's with full aero at NASA nationals (Miller) was seeing sustained 1.6g on the flat turns with long peaks of 1.75g in a few of the slightly cambered turns. That was 900/500 with the 54106 bar IIRC. |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 1117767)
I think I’m marginally stiff enough. Thought it might be better to go to stiffer springs versus stiffening the bar though. Currently 900/500as well. I might try stiffening one notch front and rear on the bars or maybe just the front. It would be bout like the big racing beat 14mm combo then. With 245 Hoosiers on 10's it has ridiculous grip. Turn 2 at Pacific 180 degree flat sweeper taken in 5th gear. Not too long ago I would have thought that would be insane and I don’t remember when exactly I lost my sanity.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1117742)
Yup. 250 in/lbs raw rate difference and they don't overlap. I found >1100lbs/in sway bar rate started to become necessary at around 1.55G sustained at typical race ride heights and 2100-2400lbs, give or take. So that's 225 Hoosiers or more. We use the 54106 for that. For 205 Hoosiers or harder compound 225's (less grip), the 1.125 x .188" wall and the 14mm seems to work over a variety of spring rates and vehicle weights.
Crusher on 225 R6's with full aero at NASA nationals (Miller) was seeing sustained 1.6g on the flat turns with long peaks of 1.75g in a few of the slightly cambered turns. That was 900/500 with the 54106 bar IIRC. |
Dean Thomas just did a 1:43.7 in my car the first session out on old R100's. We lost RR tire. Swapping out for new ones now. Thinking a 1:42 or less is possible today. He really likes the setup.
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Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1119086)
Dean Thomas just did a 1:43.7 in my car the first session out on old R100's. We lost RR tire. Swapping out for new ones now. Thinking a 1:42 or less is possible today. He really likes the setup.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1119093)
Tweaks I suggested worked OK then?
After we installed new 245/R100 tires Dean did a 1:41.6 I managed my personal best time of 1:47.2 I bled pressures to 24 hot (from 26) and the car feels even better. Gonna send Dean out again after lunch and go for the 1:40.xx |
The afternoon sessions were no faster. Mostly
1:42's. The track got really hot and tires were starting to get greasy. Overall I am thrilled with the way the car felt and the results. Thanks everybody for the help dialing out that turn in oversteer. Props to Emilio for sharing his expertise. I believe a 1:41.6 is a new Miata lap record for Sonoma. |
Oh man... now I see this.
(I was looking for something to do today, could have come watched you at SP.) Sounds like the car is all set. And a new record? Congrats! |
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