Ok well... this kitty says it looks well-constructed, but needs some tweaking to be anything but hardparking poop.
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BTW, even with a full length flat floor, I would still doubt if it could offer any sort of measurable advantage at that height, without sealing off the sides. Maybe less drag, but that would be mostly due to the (non-existent here) flat floor. Single step-change in inclination and no attempt to move the (numerous) bolts out of the flow (at least by using cap head ones) points to looks over function. At least, there are no (visible) gaps.
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Thank you for the several comments! We were definitely asking for input as there is always room to improve. We want to hear from you.
The V1 and V2 diffusers for the NB were our very,very early attempt at diffusers and were not very popular. The V3 model as shown in the pictures on our thread post represent our most recent production. The V3 does attach to the rear subframe bolts. Attaching our diffuser at this location is sound as we have had no problems at Buttonwillow Raceway. We do in fact use 0.08" (12 gauge in alum.) 5052 aluminum which is very strong/stout. |
The V3 is close, if you would pretty much make it again, but this time not taking the bumper cover into consideration at all, i would be interested. A diffuser that does something should require at the least, a substantial bumper cut.
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YES.
10/10 would buy. |
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...35059e4a94.jpg
I would vote towards a diffuser like the black AWR NA diffuser, but wider.https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...2292fe3cc3.jpg |
Aren't these last few examples openings too big to create the necessary venturi effect?
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I'm pretty sure diffusers are moot if not paired with a flat bottom on our cars, correct me if I'm wrong on that. Also what's the angle like on it, it looks fairly steep in the second picture, too steep and it's just going to seperate. Seeing no real world testing leads me to believe it's not really going to do anything.
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Originally Posted by Scaxx
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I'm pretty sure diffusers are moot if not paired with a flat bottom on our cars, correct me if I'm wrong on that. Also what's the angle like on it, it looks fairly steep in the second picture, too steep and it's just going to seperate. Seeing no real world testing leads me to believe it's not really going to do anything.
I agree with you on both those statements. If i remember right the sweet spot on diffuser angle is around 7° |
Could you get a higher angle with vortex generators? Isn't the whole angle limitation to prevent flow separation?
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7deg is a very rough guideline; depends on a number of factors really, but yeah the main point is to avoid separation. As said, the step transition is not helping. Main issue though, lack of the structure on front of it (flat floor or otherwise) and NO sealing from the sides.
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A sharp angle does in fact lead to flow separation, as does a steep angle. Sealing the sides of the flat portion can definitely be done; it would just bring the diffuser closer to the ground. We plan on doing track testing on this diffuser but it also sounds like we need take into consideration a few more factors while disregarding a few of our initial considerations. From a flow perspective (race perspective) this is what sounds like needs to be done:
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Have you checked out how the guys at Verus Engineering are building their parts?
They even include basic CFD numbers as well. |
:inout:
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Their work is beautiful. I will be looking into it. Thank you!
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Have you considered making a flat bottom for the Miata? Something made out of aluminum with attachment hardware and goes from the front subframe back to the rear brace where your diffuser starts and in semi-modular sections so it's easy to ship / swap out replacement parts. I don't think there's anyone that makes anything readily available like that tbh.
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Originally Posted by Scaxx
(Post 1484468)
I'm pretty sure diffusers are moot if not paired with a flat bottom on our cars, correct me if I'm wrong on that. Also what's the angle like on it, it looks fairly steep in the second picture, too steep and it's just going to seperate. Seeing no real world testing leads me to believe it's not really going to do anything.
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Originally Posted by Der_Idiot
(Post 1484586)
Have you considered making a flat bottom for the Miata? Something made out of aluminum with attachment hardware and goes from the front subframe back to the rear brace where your diffuser starts and in semi-modular sections so it's easy to ship / swap out replacement parts. I don't think there's anyone that makes anything readily available like that tbh.
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