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What is your vision of a Pro Street Miata?
I could not be any happier with my Track Prepped Miata. It exceeded all expectations! I am now looking to replace my current weekend toy with a Pro Street style Miata. What would your vision be? Where do you draw the line between street/track mods? I live in NorCal so Heat/AC are not big deals. I could live with AC more so that heat if given the choice. So far this is what I have. NB2 TSE turbo kit TSE/MS3 TSE Built block Mild head work Xida ACE (rates?) Poly Bronze suspension bushings TC Design roll bar with half door bars Lotus seats 949 10” wheels with R-S4 tires 11.75 Wilwood front, stock 1.8 rear. 6 speed 3.9 Torsen |
I'm currently building essentially this, but probably isn't the power most people are looking for.
Subject is a super clean 99. Mechanicals Remove PS, keep AC and CC RB header, RB midpipe, RB muffler K&N Intake Junk2 TB 5A intake cam BP5A ecu Q-Max reroute Emissions removed Fuel system converted to return style to keep ECU happy Xidas/Baller Bilsteins (I removed Xidas from the car in favor of Baller Bilsteins) SadFAP durrlin control arm bushings V8R RUCAs V8R aluminum rack bushings MR delrin diff bushings V8R 62A billet motor mounts Sport brakes/Master/Booster/949 lines RB 1.25" front bar, MSM rear, 949 endlinks all around ACT HDSS/ACT Pro-Lite flywheel/949 clutch line 6spd/4.30 205/50 VR1s Exterior Projector HID retrofit Morimoto LED fogs NB2 tails 15x8.5 Konig Hypergrams Matched hardtop NB1 "appearance package" or whatever it's called. OEM lip and small tupperware Interior NA carpet in black (Loop > pile) NA cloth seats in black (NA seats > NB seats) Jet Stream shorty shift console MR tall/angled shifter w/ Carbing High Grip Soft top thrown in garbage where it belongs GS hard top brackets Sony AA headunit/Soundstream nano amp/Focal 8" components Airbags removed Bell hub adapter/ATC Sprint 350mm wheel Revlimiter gauge cluster Switches/hvac updated to NB2 for red lighting because green is gross NB2 window switch LRB flat door panels with NA6 crash pads wrapped in NA cloth seat fabric I've had many Miatas. I'm probably more excited about this one than i have about any of my others because it's everything i've liked about all of them, but in a package i can stand to live with on a daily basis. |
Sounds familiar :party:
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...hp-bust-84579/ Cliffs: NB2 w/ ABS Trackspeed Stage 2 longblock Trackspeed EFR6758 MS Labs MS3 w/ flex fuel 300whp on CA91, 415whp E85, no laptop to switch between them XIDA Ace, stock FSB/RSB 15x9s and 245 RS4s (fits 10s, 9s are comfier) 11.75s front, Sport rears Blackbird single-diagonal NB bar in 3% gloss black Racelogic TCS Morimoto HIDs Elise seats Hardwired Valentine One Come down and get a ride when the BMW 6sp is installed. |
Basically some copy/pasting from all 3 posted thus far :party: But a few changes
NB2 w/ ABS (02 SE would be great) Trackspeed Stage 2 longblock Trackspeed EFR6258 kit MS3 230rwhp mountain-tune, 300rwhp ego-tune XIDA Ace, stock FSB/RSB, soft rates(whatever they tell me to run) Keisler drop-spindles Sadfab Poly Bronze 6spd w/ 3.9 ACT organic to handle 350ftlbs w/ 10.5 pro-lite flywheel 15x10s and 245 RS4s 4" front splitter / BFW rear spoiler 11.75s front, Sport rears HD Roll-bar Projector HID retrofit Elise seats Black cloth interior w/ some diy sound deadening A nice leather steering wheel Comfy Schroth Pro-Fi harnesses Black cloth soft-top(I've been caught in the sudden rain in the mountains 1 too many times) MR shifter(any config, but a must-have) |
Sounds like I am on the right path. I’ll need to budget for a built long block though. ABS is more popular that I expected. Sav I’ll take you up on that offer. I’ll also cart down some E85 :). I like the idea of 9”s for the street. Given the usage the added comfort would be a welcome trade off. |
I'm going to go off the reservation here, but if its for a primarily street car:
NC3 Club (White w/ Red or Red w/ Black) soft-top (I don't like the look of the PRHT) Super20 flares AutoEXE front lip NOPRO Spoiler BBFW RZ roll bar in Red Advan RGII's or Gram Lite 57C6's Bilstein DIY coilovers (or Xida's if they ever manifest) Fab9 EFR turbo kit with full 3" turbo back ( :blah: ) Hardtop (for the winter) |
If you really want to go off the reservation you’d be talking ND. Thought about that briefly too but came right back around to the NB. I was tempted by a NA with NB1 motor but in the end I think the NB is best. |
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Unpopular opinion: For street/DD things, NC or FRS/BRZ will both be better options at same price end game as NB.
If i had gotten my NB even 6 months later, i would have not gotten it, and gotten an NC/FRS/BRZ instead. Not mad. Just a small bit of "dammit!" |
If you want to cut out much of the work to get there (basically most everything save the turbo kit and pleb xida's) let me know. I have a car in socal I'll be selling that is the NA version of the build you are discussing.
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This was kind of my target with my current car. I bought a high mile 2000 SE and dropped the ghetto-rods only motor out of my 11.6 @ 124 gutted NA car into it. There's certainly some potential left in it, but I broke my last 6 speed trying to push the limits. I feel like mid 300's is a good "safe-ish" range for the drivetrain.
Every day I come outside and look at my "daily driver" g35, think "not today", and I get in my miata instead. I think I've actually driven my daily driver once in the last 2 weeks, when it was raining. |
Originally Posted by k24madness
(Post 1477509)
If you really want to go off the reservation you’d be talking ND. Thought about that briefly too but came right back around to the NB. I was tempted by a NA with NB1 motor but in the end I think the NB is best. |
Originally Posted by pdexta
(Post 1477549)
This was kind of my target with my current car. I bought a high mile 2000 SE and dropped the ghetto-rods only motor out of my 11.6 @ 124 gutted NA car into it. There's certainly some potential left in it, but I broke my last 6 speed trying to push the limits. I feel like mid 300's is a good "safe-ish" range for the drivetrain.
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I'd do something like acamas but with a 3.6 rear (vs the 3.9 I think he has)
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1477590)
I'd do something like acamas but with a 3.6 rear (vs the 3.9 I think he has)
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Are you able to loosely ballpark the price? Say... 500-1000usd, for example.
Dann |
I'm building what I consider a fun street car. Boost is fun but I love how naturally aspirated miatas can be thrashed pretty much anywhere all the time.
Still have a fair amount to do but the ending is this: - 1999 NB1 w/5 speed and 4.30 torsen - 15x9 Storm S1 w/225 Rival - Ohlins DFV coilovers - IRP shifter - Harddog rollbar - Momo Start seats - PCI seat mounts - Schroth harnesses - OMP Corsica 330 steering wheel - RB header - Goodwin Racing catback - Blackbird Fabworx engine mounts - RB swaybars - RB front swaybar brace - Braided brake and clutch lines |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1477518)
Unpopular opinion: For street/DD things, NC or FRS/BRZ will both be better options at same price end game as NB.
If i had gotten my NB even 6 months later, i would have not gotten it, and gotten an NC/FRS/BRZ instead. Not mad. Just a small bit of "dammit!" |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1477642)
Looks like Falcone still has my BRZ for sale. You should go test drive it. Still has the MXP exhaust and Ground Control coilovers.
Not buying anything that isn't a house at the moment. |
My Pro Street Miata would be a typical build, in the past I've ruined to many cars I drive daily.
ND Miata Softer setup of XIDAs 17x9 sticky tires Full Exhaust and flash (E85 if they have one now) Roll bar BBKs Engine, oil, diff coolers Enjoy. |
I guess I'm going for this now... I had originally hoped to do a K-swap, but ended up going for a supercharger. Fully anticipate getting some hate for that. My parts are pretty tame compared to most, and everything but the roll bar bought used or off my old car.
Current status, including parts awaiting install 2001 NB2 LS, 5spd/4.3FDR, No ABS, Sport bracing and brakes. MP62 Hotside, TDR intercooler, MS3 w/ E85 sensor and CAN wideband NA6 interior swap, Momo Start seat made super comfy Blackbird Fabworx Single diagonal roll bar FM frame rails Mazdaspeed Bilsteins, FM springs. Probably 6 different ARBs to experiment with. Bauer ELBJs for das camber. Depowered steering w/ idler pulley 15x7.5 street wheels, 15x9 track steamrollers Morimoto HIDs in stock NB2 low beam For a money no object build? K-series engine: K24 block, K20 head and crankshaft. Great rod ratio, lots of revs. TVS900 supercharger, Air to Water intercooler in a custom manifold. 6 speed, 3.63 FDR Revalved Bilsteins and stiffer springs ABS Lotus Elise seats A roll bar that lets 3-point belts work, or, different mounting arrangement for the 3 point belts. 6 point harness for track work. Drop spindles TSE brake kit Twin Bixenon projector headlights. 3000k yellows and 3800k normal beams. Or, just buy a faster car to begin with. I've always loved C4 Corvettes, and the new BRZ and ND Miata are just gorgeous. |
For a drag car I'd go this route |
My build: NB2 (TSE Catalog Car) TSE 6258 Turbo kit TSE stage 2 shortblock, supertech valve springs (not yet installed) TSE Dynapro BBK w/ 3" singular ducts TSE Rad TSE 16 row oil cooler custom 3" exhast Racing Beat front sway bar/ 949 endlinks. xidas Blackbird GT3 roll bar 15x9/225s for street poly bushings with oilite sleeves Sparco Evo https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ef5b17feee.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...27f7b80b0.jpeg |
Maybe I don’t understand what a “pro street” car is. I think my current car is sort of in this direction, mainly a fun street car that does HPDE. I agree with most of the stuff above, but big power/tall gears doesn’t do much for me. Same with big wheels/tires, which you need for big power. Heavy stuff that crashes around on bumpy roads, makes steering heavy, tramlines on the highway, etc. If the only goal for the car is fun, sign me up for NA chassis, a fast spooling 220ish, 3.9 or 4.1 gears, 15x8 with 205 tires. Maybe even 195’s on 15x7. A/C is a must. Canvas soft top. With that car I can hoon around like a teenager without getting speeding tickets or killing someone. I’m probably not very good at this game based on the other posts. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1477602)
Had 3.63s for a while, testing 3.308s now. Not quite ready for prime time but the ratio is so sweet. For a 300whp street car, they are perfect. Working with the MFG to improve them now.
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This has always been the goal for my car... but I’ve stepped over the line into what many wouldn’t want on the street. here’s what I’d want for a killer. Street NA -moss low pro lights -leather seats -manual steering -VVT engine / ms3, intake, RB header and exhaust - A/C - 1.6 dash - nice stereo with good components in doors - no rollbar - lightweight 15x7s with sticky rubber.. bonus points for something rare/authentic... but Must be light! - comfy suspension with moderate drop... I like FM springs and Illuminas, but idk the illuminas are available anymore. |
Mine would be an ND actually. Touring version
Wrapped orange DGM carbon-ish hard top BBFW roll bar BBR turbo kit Auto trans Xida ACE 17x9 6UL Tungsten 245/40/17 RS4 GWR 11.75 front BBK FM rear LBK Giacomo's 50mm steering wheel spacer Replace OEM speakers with Focal drivers. Small sub box in trunk with Q/R harness If an NB2 Inside A/C OMP HTE-R 400 seats Momo 78, 350mm steering wheel No stereo Outside Wrapped pearl orange Touge Run GV style front lip Carbon Miata trunk spoiler, paint matched Underneath 1.9L with all the forged bits CNC +2 head stock cams Square top manifold TSE EFR 6758 Haltech 2500 ECU A-T DBW 65mm throttle body LSX coils/ proto SPM bracketry Quaife QBE60G helical box Spension Xida ACE 550/350 54103 front bar stock rear bar ES control arm bushings 3.6 OS Giken, SPM tune RB midpipe & Muffler 15x10 Berylium 6UL 245/40/15 RS4 SPM proto 11.75x1 radial BBK ABS |
Originally Posted by Stealth97
(Post 1477747)
- comfy suspension with moderate drop... I like FM springs and Illuminas, but idk the illuminas are available anymore. We back in 2004 or something? |
GTFO
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Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1477518)
Unpopular opinion: For street/DD things, NC or FRS/BRZ will both be better options at same price end game as NB.
If i had gotten my NB even 6 months later, i would have not gotten it, and gotten an NC/FRS/BRZ instead. Not mad. Just a small bit of "dammit!" Going to second the unpopular opinion, 17+ BRZ/86. Ideally a Performance Pack with Brembos then you only add an oil cooler, RaceComp Tarmac Springs, header, tune and you're done. I'd even re-use the included 17x7.5 and just put a stickier 215/45/17 tire on it. I bought one in January and the Miata hasn't gotten much love since. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4785/...f02cbdb8_b.jpg |
are you switching platforms for good, Sean?
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Originally Posted by MiataMan00
(Post 1477938)
are you switching platforms for good, Sean?
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I haven't driven the newer ones, but I sold my 2013 BRZ to buy and turbo my NB2, and have zero regrets. They look and handle great, but the lack of torque was too annoying for me.
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Happy to give you another ride in my car, seems bone stock until you stomp the throttle, but you know that already. Super comfortable with the ability to go around all the snobs in our neighborhood. Perfect.
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@sonofthehill, I’ll take you up on that! No knock on your car but I would be looking to build something a bit more sporty. You on the other hand have the ultimate sleeper. Looks damn near stock till you stomp on it. I was mighty impressed durning our last outing. I bet it’s even stronger now! Marin needs more hot rod Miata’s! |
Originally Posted by nitrodann
(Post 1477609)
Are you able to loosely ballpark the price? Say... 500-1000usd, for example.
Dann $600 There's a thread on here about then. i ordered during the last run and the order was cancelled when the machining was confirmed to be subpar. To the manufacturer's credit they seemed receptive. I'll be patient until they've been confirmed good before ordering again. |
I've been trying to figure this out for over a decade and I think I am close to having it figured out...
300 whp or so. Going significantly above this is just an expensive danger zone. If I had the money to do this in a Miata, I'd have the money to do it more comfortably and reliably in a used z06. High ride height Xidas, FM front bar, stock rear. Prob 15x10 w/rs4s for baller status, tho anything 205 width and above is probably fine on the streets to be honest. Lack of traction will only help with drivetrain reliability. Minimal aero, just smoothing and ducting, nothing to reduce ground clearance. On the street, ground clearance is worth it's weight in gold. Working AC Everything in reliable condition 6 speed with a 3.6 or five speed with a 4.1 and swap them out more often. |
If you show up Wednesday before elimination starts, I will be happy to take you down the 1/4 mile. Otherwise, just send me a text, I am around all weekend, possibly it will be nice weather for swimming too.
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Originally Posted by eddyc49
(Post 1478162)
http://www.teammfactory.com/catalog/partno/MF-TRS-02F33
$600 There's a thread on here about then. i ordered during the last run and the order was cancelled when the machining was confirmed to be subpar. To the manufacturer's credit they seemed receptive. I'll be patient until they've been confirmed good before ordering again. 3.3 with a 6 speed sounds dreamy after I ran it through the calculator. Especially for 600 bucks with decent quality. A slightly tall first gear but otherwise it's basically a five speed with an overdrive on the end. |
it's still just a dream. way too many trials and failures so far to start planning.
Andrew is smart enough to have learned his lesson and isn't announcing anything until it's properly tested and a real thing. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1477602)
Had 3.63s for a while, testing 3.308s now. Not quite ready for prime time but the ratio is so sweet. For a 300whp street car, they are perfect. Working with the MFG to improve them now.
Did I mention you are a handsome man Andrew!? :) Here I was going to go 3.63! Perfect gearing for the ZF5 and 6 speeds no? |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1477463)
I'm currently building essentially this, but probably isn't the power most people are looking for.
Subject is a super clean 99. Mechanicals Remove PS, keep AC and CC RB header, RB midpipe, RB muffler K&N Intake Junk2 TB 5A intake cam BP5A ecu Q-Max reroute Emissions removed Fuel system converted to return style to keep ECU happy Xidas/Baller Bilsteins (I removed Xidas from the car in favor of Baller Bilsteins) SadFAP durrlin control arm bushings V8R RUCAs V8R aluminum rack bushings MR delrin diff bushings V8R 62A billet motor mounts Sport brakes/Master/Booster/949 lines RB 1.25" front bar, MSM rear, 949 endlinks all around ACT HDSS/ACT Pro-Lite flywheel/949 clutch line 6spd/4.30 205/50 VR1s Exterior Projector HID retrofit Morimoto LED fogs NB2 tails 15x8.5 Konig Hypergrams Matched hardtop NB1 "appearance package" or whatever it's called. OEM lip and small tupperware Interior NA carpet in black (Loop > pile) NA cloth seats in black (NA seats > NB seats) Jet Stream shorty shift console MR tall/angled shifter w/ Carbing High Grip Soft top thrown in garbage where it belongs GS hard top brackets Sony AA headunit/Soundstream nano amp/Focal 8" components Airbags removed Bell hub adapter/ATC Sprint 350mm wheel Revlimiter gauge cluster Switches/hvac updated to NB2 for red lighting because green is gross NB2 window switch LRB flat door panels with NA6 crash pads wrapped in NA cloth seat fabric I've had many Miatas. I'm probably more excited about this one than i have about any of my others because it's everything i've liked about all of them, but in a package i can stand to live with on a daily basis. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/949/4...69786aac_b.jpg 2018-05-02_07-49-26 by concealer404, on Flickr https://farm1.staticflickr.com/908/2...30aedc1a_b.jpg 2018-05-02_07-49-41 by concealer404, on Flickr https://farm1.staticflickr.com/863/4...240ba3aa_b.jpg 2018-05-02_07-49-57 by concealer404, on Flickr https://farm1.staticflickr.com/864/4...d749ccfc_b.jpg 2018-05-01_09-21-16 by concealer404, on Flickr |
I am liking this approach a LOT
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Originally Posted by HarryB
(Post 1480480)
I am liking this approach a LOT
I think i'm going to like the car. It needs some small sorting and finishing. Having some NVH issues, but i have some low-hanging fruit to handle there. It drives a liiiiitttle more "manic" than i was hoping, but i'm not sure if dumbing it down from here is going to give me something i like to drive. Ride quality is outstanding, it sounds AWESOME, and looks cool. If i can get it to idle right (low when cold, high when hot, suspect IACV), CC to work, and get a nice stereo in it, it's going to be gucci. Downside: it's faster than my "race car." Feels bad. Hey Harry, you're overseas... any chance you have a "diagnostic flow" you could point me to for a JDM/EUDM 99-00? This car is running 100% as a BP5A equipped car, which as far as i know, means the OBD2 port isn't functional. (Certainly doesn't not have functioning CEL) |
Yes, it was towards you :P
BP5A means it would be identical to a EUDM 99-00 NB, which does not have an OBD2 AFAIK. I *think* I can find the factory diagnostic procedures, but I do not have them in hand at the moment (I drive a lame 1.6 NB2). Speaking of... here's my list. Base is a 2004 Strato Blue 1.6 NB2 with 5 speed box and sport brakes, 100k miles but very well maintained. I do not want to swap the 1.6 for now due to legislation; can be done, but it is a bit of a bureaucratic hassle to do so and be legal, and for sure I do not want risking my car to be confiscated. Car is/will be built with maybe 1% track time in mind (not that we have any worthy tracks around), 29% spirited driving on mountain passes/ b-roads (we have a TON of those) and 70% daily commute. Primary goal was an OEM+ build in all aspects, with a few retro-inspired details. Spec list/build plan below. ENGINE & TRANSMISSION Kraftwerks Rotrex C30/74 intercooled kit (have designed my own mounting solution and will modify a bit the plumbing) MS2 Enhanced ECU, AEM x-series wideband sensor, oil pressure/temp sensors/EGT Bosch EV14 620cc (Mustang GT500) injectors, rewired injector loom Toyota COPS IL Motorsport aluminum radiator Custom/Mocal oil/water heat exchanger Maxim works header Custom 2.5" exhaust w. Magnaflow mufflers Ultrasonic cleaned, port matched powdercoated intake manifold Mazdaspeeed engine mounts OEM Torsen T2 w. 4.3FGR ACT ProLite flywheel ACT HD clutch SUSPENSION & HANDLING OEM "Sport package" underbraces TR Lane double hoop roll bar Custom frame rails RB rear subframe brace Fender braces Carbing 3-point front strut brace Carbing PPF brace IL Motorsport rubber bushing kit Maruha BC coilovers, Maruha extended top hats (rear) 350/250 rates WHEELS, TIRES, BRAKES 15x7 et24 Watanabe RS8 205/50/15 Federal 595RSR (contemplating swapping them out for Advan AD08Rs) OEM Sport package brakes (270/276mm) w. Axxis ULT pads Pagid rotors HEL braided brake lines ATE Typ100 fluid Custom MC brace on strut bar INTERIOR Lotus Elise seats, repadded and repholstered, heated, on OEM runners MOMO Futura steering wheel with Custom Revlimiter Type 60 horn button on Daikei hub for weekend duty KG Works cluster, modified to fit AWD gauge rings AWD needle covers Revlimiter custom "Spyder" gauges LED lights, white lighting mod Trans tunnel side lights JDM "oval" Roadster mats JDM Roadster gear lever surround Custom leather door handle covers, handbrake cover, gaiter cover JDM folding visors RS Products vent rings Pumpkin Android HU with custom 3D printed bezel Focal ISS200 speaker set Padded glovebox/central console EXTERIOR Full respray, OEM Strato blue, new OEM door, window and beltilne mouldings New mohair hood/OEM HT for winter duty RS Factory Stage replica front lip OEM mud flaps Custom Revlimiter Type 60 badges Customized Runabout fuel lid |
ABS, stock bars, 245's on 9's or 225 on 8's, something like 500/300 on an Xida quality shock, bmw trans, built block/stock head, TSE turbo kit, boost by gear, sound deadening on doors/hardtop/rear package shelf, no diagonal bar, broadway mirror, lotus seats, no race belts, hid kit, msm headlights, msm lips, Australian fastback, inner trans tunnel heat wrap, swain tech coated dp, quite exhaust, good stereo/speakers/sub/amp, fresh paint, all the power mirror/steering,windows,etc, keep the ac and heat, lots of custom leather inside, fresh medium hard rubber bushings from Mazda, Keep it fat and fast...
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