Turbo Miata AFR Sensor Misreading Issues?
This seems to be a somewhat problematic problem that has been solved in other threads and whatnot, but this one is pretty odd because of the gauge I'm using.
I'm using the Innovate Motorsports PSB-1:Powersafe Boost & Air/Fuel Ration Gauge Kit + Megasquirt 2 NA Miata
Accordingto the manual, the default analog output configuration is 0V = 7.35 AFR and 5V = 22.39 AFR, which is what I set it to in Tuner Studio.
PROBLEM. ECU AFR always shows 1-2 whole units above what the gauge reads. Currently its reading roughly 12 with ignition on but car off (This is another issue that I hope will be solved by first cleaning, and maybe replacing if that doesn't work, of the AFR sensor itself but I haven't done that yet) (Maybe this has something to do with it and wiring is wrong?) - 12v power from cruise control, ground works the same from main ECU ground + megasquirt top connector chassis ground (pin 5) - I haven't exactly tested this but I will double check tomorrow but I think the chassis ground from the top of the ecu works better than the bottom connection (as in its 1-2 off vs 3-4)
I hope that made sense. I just got the car for a pretty solid price from a great gentleman. It's certainly a fun project, and any help is appreciated! Also, if you know a good tuner who can do something online, I would love to get in contact, as that's the next step.
Thinking out loud: Kind of a weird issue. I was doing some alligator clip testing, but I didn't have a wire long enough to double-check it at various ground connections in the engine bay; that's the next step but for some sneaking suspicion, I have a feeling I should double-check all the wire connections with a voltmeter coming off the innovate psb-1.
I'm using the Innovate Motorsports PSB-1:Powersafe Boost & Air/Fuel Ration Gauge Kit + Megasquirt 2 NA Miata
Accordingto the manual, the default analog output configuration is 0V = 7.35 AFR and 5V = 22.39 AFR, which is what I set it to in Tuner Studio.
PROBLEM. ECU AFR always shows 1-2 whole units above what the gauge reads. Currently its reading roughly 12 with ignition on but car off (This is another issue that I hope will be solved by first cleaning, and maybe replacing if that doesn't work, of the AFR sensor itself but I haven't done that yet) (Maybe this has something to do with it and wiring is wrong?) - 12v power from cruise control, ground works the same from main ECU ground + megasquirt top connector chassis ground (pin 5) - I haven't exactly tested this but I will double check tomorrow but I think the chassis ground from the top of the ecu works better than the bottom connection (as in its 1-2 off vs 3-4)
I hope that made sense. I just got the car for a pretty solid price from a great gentleman. It's certainly a fun project, and any help is appreciated! Also, if you know a good tuner who can do something online, I would love to get in contact, as that's the next step.
Thinking out loud: Kind of a weird issue. I was doing some alligator clip testing, but I didn't have a wire long enough to double-check it at various ground connections in the engine bay; that's the next step but for some sneaking suspicion, I have a feeling I should double-check all the wire connections with a voltmeter coming off the innovate psb-1.
When the gauge is reading 12 with ign on but engine off, has the car been running recently? The air inside the exhaust is stagnant once not running.
Just to double check, you're clicking write to controller, when setting your voltage scale in the afr calibration?
Also is the correct output wire hooked up from the gauge. I recently swapped from innovate to aem, and I had some bad readings in TS from using the wrong output wire. I had assumed the output + was needed, when actually the output - was the correct wire for my setup.
Just to double check, you're clicking write to controller, when setting your voltage scale in the afr calibration?
Also is the correct output wire hooked up from the gauge. I recently swapped from innovate to aem, and I had some bad readings in TS from using the wrong output wire. I had assumed the output + was needed, when actually the output - was the correct wire for my setup.
Take it out of the exhaust, turn it on, and verify the output wire reads 5v or close to it. You can get the serial cable from innovate if the PO didn’t give it to you, and use their software to verify or resend the default config. Last I checked with an LC-1, it was changeable.
Take it out of the exhaust, turn it on, and verify the output wire reads 5v or close to it. You can get the serial cable from innovate if the PO didn’t give it to you, and use their software to verify or resend the default config. Last I checked with an LC-1, it was changeable.
FWIW - I had an LC-1 years ago and I could never get it to remain stable. I have no experience with their PSB-1.
Take it out of the exhaust, turn it on, and verify the output wire reads 5v or close to it. You can get the serial cable from innovate if the PO didn’t give it to you, and use their software to verify or resend the default config. Last I checked with an LC-1, it was changeable.
Currently, the ECU is reading a higher voltage than the PSB-1. Would this not indicate a grounding issue, primarily a software / ECU issue?
Thank you (and everyone who's responded) for the help!
Hey!
Firstly, yes, it was running correctly before, and it would do this. Slowly, it rises to around 22 after a few hours. And yes, I am clicking 'Write to Controller' when I change the voltage scale in the far calibration. I've done some messing around with those voltages and other presets.
Yes, the wires are correctly connected. According to the manual, the yellow wire goes to the ECU, and the black wire is ground. Then, it's a 12V power, and another wire that goes to the headlight dimmer feature. I posted a reply below about some things I discovered that lead to an improvement but its still 1 AFR off, I assume it should be pretty close like +/- .2
Firstly, yes, it was running correctly before, and it would do this. Slowly, it rises to around 22 after a few hours. And yes, I am clicking 'Write to Controller' when I change the voltage scale in the far calibration. I've done some messing around with those voltages and other presets.
Yes, the wires are correctly connected. According to the manual, the yellow wire goes to the ECU, and the black wire is ground. Then, it's a 12V power, and another wire that goes to the headlight dimmer feature. I posted a reply below about some things I discovered that lead to an improvement but its still 1 AFR off, I assume it should be pretty close like +/- .2
Hey!
Firstly, yes, it was running correctly before, and it would do this. Slowly, it rises to around 22 after a few hours. And yes, I am clicking 'Write to Controller' when I change the voltage scale in the far calibration. I've done some messing around with those voltages and other presets.
Yes, the wires are correctly connected. According to the manual, the yellow wire goes to the ECU, and the black wire is ground. Then, it's a 12V power, and another wire that goes to the headlight dimmer feature. I posted a reply below about some things I discovered that lead to an improvement but its still 1 AFR off, I assume it should be pretty close like +/- .2
Firstly, yes, it was running correctly before, and it would do this. Slowly, it rises to around 22 after a few hours. And yes, I am clicking 'Write to Controller' when I change the voltage scale in the far calibration. I've done some messing around with those voltages and other presets.
Yes, the wires are correctly connected. According to the manual, the yellow wire goes to the ECU, and the black wire is ground. Then, it's a 12V power, and another wire that goes to the headlight dimmer feature. I posted a reply below about some things I discovered that lead to an improvement but its still 1 AFR off, I assume it should be pretty close like +/- .2
This kind of AFR mismatch between the gauge and the ECU usually comes down to ground offset between the PSB-1 and the MS2. Since analog signals are voltage-based, even a slight difference in ground potential can cause a 1–2 AFR discrepancy — exactly what you’re seeing.
Steps to try:
1. Make sure the PSB-1 analog ground is shared with the same ECU ground used by the Megasquirt sensor ground or a very clean chassis ground. Avoid using accessory grounds like cruise control — they often introduce noise or offset.
2. Verify analog output scaling is truly set to 0V = 7.35 AFR and 5V = 22.39 AFR in both the PSB-1 and TunerStudio.
3. Measure voltage directly from the PSB-1 analog out to the ground point you’re using for MS2. Use a multimeter to see if the voltage matches the AFR the gauge is showing — if it does, your ground is likely the issue.
4. Sensor showing AFR with ignition on and engine off is expected behavior, but a value of 12 is suspiciously rich. That could point to either a bad sensor or it heating up while reading atmospheric air — definitely worth cleaning and possibly replacing if the wiring checks out.
Once you get a clean ground, the numbers should line up. Also — if you’re looking for a remote tuner familiar with MS2 and boosted Miatas, check out Andy Whittle (WhittleBeast) or Scott Clark (DieselGeek) — both have done great remote work in the Miata/MS community
Steps to try:
1. Make sure the PSB-1 analog ground is shared with the same ECU ground used by the Megasquirt sensor ground or a very clean chassis ground. Avoid using accessory grounds like cruise control — they often introduce noise or offset.
2. Verify analog output scaling is truly set to 0V = 7.35 AFR and 5V = 22.39 AFR in both the PSB-1 and TunerStudio.
3. Measure voltage directly from the PSB-1 analog out to the ground point you’re using for MS2. Use a multimeter to see if the voltage matches the AFR the gauge is showing — if it does, your ground is likely the issue.
4. Sensor showing AFR with ignition on and engine off is expected behavior, but a value of 12 is suspiciously rich. That could point to either a bad sensor or it heating up while reading atmospheric air — definitely worth cleaning and possibly replacing if the wiring checks out.
Once you get a clean ground, the numbers should line up. Also — if you’re looking for a remote tuner familiar with MS2 and boosted Miatas, check out Andy Whittle (WhittleBeast) or Scott Clark (DieselGeek) — both have done great remote work in the Miata/MS community
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