Anyone know anything about the new 1.6L BEGI Supercharger???
 

Sorry if I'm missing something here, but they just posted a new article on BEGI's site *yesterday* concerning development of an M45/M60 coldside supercharger system for 1.6L cars.

Anyone know anything I don't?

Sounds pretty sweet, as most stuff from BEGI usually is.

TIA,

Zac

Now we know why they built a new fuel rail.

Referenced article: BEGi - - Front Page News - 1.6L_supercharger

Interesting read. Title change suggestion: BEGI Supercharging Manifesto :laugh:

Chris

Im curious to know how they will reach all their objectives. namely an intercooler to produce 350hp.

nos.

I don't think they said anywhere that they were looking to get 350hp out of the setup, merely that the components included therein are good up to said power levels.

I'd like to see an intercooler produce 350hp myself....sign me up.

What I meant was, and what I understood from the article was that there would be an intercooler in the setup that would permit 350hp.

I want to know how that is going to be accomplished.

I'd like to see someone who knows English edit the pages on BEGi's web site.

They're engineers, not English majors lol..

Anyway, thread is going a little off-topic.

So no one has heard anything yet?

I'm tempted to call BEGI but I assure you I would be simply wasting their time. So I won't.

The only way they are gonna get 350hp out of a supercharged miata motor is if they cram the AC evaporator between the supercharger and the engine.

I was going to work with Corky on a new coldside kit but we are at a stand still because of the autocross season. Plans are a a two TB system on a coldside 62 blower intercooled. We are also looking at the 90 blower. Now this is all for the 1.8l, I'm not a part of the 1.6l development. He is looking at 300HP (built motor of course), and Corky rarely doesnt meet his goals.

Doesnt article mention that two throttle bodies are bad?

I thought I saw someone that kept the stock throttle body and just used a blow off valve.

I expect that Hyper's new fuel system might get you there.

Actually,I was counting on Corky using the PC Pro.

I'm pretty sure that's what he meant by "350 hp intercooler".

To cut through every one's BS:hustler:, I think the new systems are very nice. It will be cool to finally see a big HP supercharger system for the 1.6's.

Honestly the only reason I ever ditched my blower was because I couldn't make near the power i was craving.

But going turbo wasn't all bad I guess:rolleyes:

Damn guys, I work at trying to use good English. Please point out my errors, as I was at least once educatable. It is possible the problem is I are an inguneer.

Now, I probably ought not to put a 350 HP CAPABLE INTERCOOLER in a 300 hp system for fear of someone thinking the IC will make boost all by itself. Still working on that one.

BTW, an AC consumes more power than can be made by the air it can cool. Try multiplying the CFM consumed by the air density (.07 ) and see what kind of mass the situation is dealing with. These things can produce flow rates that would consume about twice your body weight per minute. The AC would be a bit pressed......

Initially, no SC's with IC's. A tick later...

i'm really excited to see this setup. I have a 1.6 but am limited as to what i can do with it as far as power goes. A coldside system with an mp62 would be awesome cant wait to see this

BEGI Supercharger
 

yup!

i'd like to know more about this set up also.

copy/paste from m.net

I didn't know 141whp was that expensive nowadays.

BEGi sold me 180whp for $1200 not too long ago.

EDIT: I'm sure you've got some headroom there Corky, but it looks like a stinker of an entry level kit. Except I see a lot of the cost has to be in the main components that stay, like the blower and that nice looking manifold.

This same setup would also surely make more power with a MS.

Superchargers aren't cheap. More expensive than Garrett turbos, and intake manifolds are more expensive that exhaust manifolds. Unfortunately, what drives up the cost, too, is all the machined parts. Turbos will always been superchargers on a cost per horsepower gained any given day.
Stephanie

I wonder if it's possible to intercool the system the way the piping goes over the rear of the engine. Maybe with an a/w IC?

That's the intake to the supercharger so you want to cool it before it goes into the supercharger and gets heated?

While it's important to keep all intake air as cool as possible, you don't want to try to cool the air being drawn into the blower. You want to cool it after it has been compressed, either with water, fuel, methanol, or via a heat exchanger like an air/water or air/air intercooler.

Regardless of hp, its got a nice tq curve for 5psi. Is that 1st dyno a m45 or m62? Twin charging with that thing would be awefully fun :)

The BEGI coldside uses the MP62, same as Moss and FFS.

Hello, its a 1.6. All 1.6 kits have used a m45.... Care to retract your comment? Or will you let it stand for the record?

From the BEGI website

SC size options are very clearly related to the potential power output of the system. In that regard, our 1.6 cold side system offers the M45 or the M62 Eaton SC. It is generally regarded that the M45 is limited to about 145 rwhp.

How about you take whatever you think you know, put it all in a basket, and then light it on fire. Then you'll have plenty of room to store the fact that I have forgotten more about boosted miatas then you will ever know.

http://www.miatamania.com/Shop/ViewP...eIndexID=77364
Curiously no listed application for a 1.6.....hmmm

http://www.miatamania.com/Shop/ViewP...eIndexID=77376
I wonder where the 1.6s are?...

http://www.miatamania.com/Shop/ViewP...eIndexID=75098
Is that a one 1.6 app? YAYYYYY....oh...wait its a M45....damn

Curiously, FFS's website blows and the store isn't working. I know they were developing a M62 1.6 kit and it was prototyped. That doesn't count as a production kit as far as I'm concerned.

What are you even talking about? Moss has never made a coldside of any kind and FFS only makes the MP62 coldside for the 1.8, though they have at least one tester with an MP62 for the 1.6. You asked if Begi's dyno run was made with an M45 or an M62 [sic] and I answered you. If you know so much about them why did you ask in the first place?

04 Miata, I was only going by BEGI's product page, not their article/blog on the coldside where they mention the M45. I don't see where you can actually order a BEGI coldside with an M45. I don't think they will bolt up to the same manifold, but I could be wrong.