a buddy really got me interested
 

in supercharging.
i am really big into drifting.....


therefore i see tons and tons of turbo'd 240's so i thought turbo was the best way to go..... but then i talked to a buddy and he made a good point...... if i can drift my bone stock NB..... then why don't i just s/c where the power is throughout the band making the car feel like it has a bigger engine......

so also, i want to get into a little bit of autox....... and he said that supercharging is better turbo iho for autox.

so all in all, this is becoming a win/win situation......

the only downside is getting the power levels that i want. doing research, i guess it is harder to reach your goals with a supercharger rather than a turbo, which makes perfect sense because the compressor can spin a shit ton faster......

now im not a complete noob to forced induction, i have done my fair share of research, i know how it all works, but i just want a simple opinion.
my goal is in the 230-250hp range.
the car has 175k on it so if the motor pops, it pops, no big deal, i'll throw another in there and swap in a bigger pulley to lower the boost down.
i know how a s/c works, i know i need a faster flowing fuel pump, i know i need bigger injectors, i know i will need a fmic for the power that i want to achieve, wideband 02, possibly meth inj, obviously aftermarket ecu, and it would be a bright idea to get a bigger exhaust.
now, the thing that i don't understand is how the crank/s/c pulleys work...... how do you swap out the miata's crank pulley with the harmonic balancer attatched without fucking up the engine?

so with this being said, i kept on doing research.

my car is a 2001 ls..... so this limits my options with s/c kits compared to the na's with 1.6.

like i stated before it's bone stock...... w/ a/c and ps

some of the kits i came across fast foward, jackson racing, kraftwerks, brp

now i think this thread is going to be full of rant, but can someone please be on a legitiment state of mind and fill me in on some information?

what setup would you use and why?
what size pulley would you estimate on the s/c to make my goal? my guess is 120mm [+/- ~13psi]
what ems would you work with and why?

please don't hate :fawk:

I think you're confusing this with another site like:
clubfagster.net
or
miata.cum

like said. on with the rants :]

all i want is opinions. why people chose the kit they have

This will be a glorious thread.

btw where are you in n. cal? i was up in redding awhile back visiting some family

If you are wanting a supercharger kit just go with what the kit advertises and what the supplier states. There is no magic to making a supercharger work well they are what they are really.
I say centrifugal blower with MS ECU PNP.

You're friend is a absolute loser.

This site does great things to people. For instance, I use to have a stupidcharger and I used to autocross with it every month or around 15-18 races a year for 2 years.

I FUCKING HATED THAT THING

I had the blower for 4 years and guess what, I don't fucking miss it at all. It wasn't just a stock blower either. It was ported, had the all fancy TDR fixin's and was used with a built head. The turbo swap was 10x's better, in every way. I have more torque (which is what the supercharger fags are always yelping about) and I can keep pace with fast cars on the highway. 6psi map and a 15psi map, I actually have choices. Superchargers are stuck in "fag mode" 24/7. Not to mention the fucking belts you have to carry with you, the lack off idle, the heat, etc...

Loser status:
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._2643808_n.jpg

Baller, man status:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5259076_n.jpg

xx

HOLY FUCKING SHIT, NO YOU DIDN'T

...superchargers are disappointing.

The only ones that make the torque all the sc nutswingers keep referencing when they defend supercharging are the big Uberchargers like kenne bell or possibly the mp62 with every single bolt on imaginable. And even then they're in the low 200's.

There are exceptions. But they're really rare and chances are you wont be one of them.

:giggle:

This is true though.
So irritating when a noob says "been searching and can't find the info" then asks one of the most beat to death questions of all time. OF ALL TIME

This should be a sticky in the Meet and Greet Section!

I'm very curious what Brain's editing involved in the first post.

Was it to:
A: Uncapitalize all the first words of each sentence and all proper nouns?
B: Randomly remove 1/2 the periods?
C: Randomly insert many periods in the form of ....'s?

All that was there before the edit

Ok.

If you buy the FFS kit, I hear that you don't need an intercooler and also get a discount on mustache rides from a certain cowboy...

he's really nice on the phone

All your aguments are void, i am supercharger god of mt.net

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...r/IMAG0080.jpg

op is fag regardless up my fag balls supercharger.

Why do I do this to myself? :vash:

If you already did your research, then you have probably already read THIS and THIS and also THIS. THIS and THIS may also be of some use to you. You would also know FFS is a joke, the old ass Jackson Racing MP45 sc's are way undersized, and BRP has been out of business for years. I'm surprised you didn't mention VF :jerkit: The Moss/Jackson MP62 & Kraftwerks Rotrex are the only things people around here even tolerate, and I believe the Rotrex is the only thing in current production that might meet your HP goal (with some custom fabrication and legwork.) I recommend the Rotrex, but I have one so I'm biased.

You hit on 2 things in your post that really piss off the natives around here: 1) dri0ft0 and 2) superchargers. Tread lightly. Lurk here for a couple months and keep reading, then try again.

sup F0xxx, I'm in NorCal too. feel free to pm me.

Are you trolling for ass or offering advice?

I'm going to say that's a graybeard looking for unsuspecting d0rifto kids to lure in. Adults don't typically do d0rifto unless they are paid to do it or immature. If I was looking for young men I'd be on automotive forums PMing wannabe drifters offering to meet up and share advice.

"Drifting is the figure skating of motorsports."


Edit: OP, please answer my PMs.

OP, if you were wanting to do a big mp90 or a rotrex, you would be tolerated. Right now, hustler is about to drop a blue toilet thingy in your mouth and go to town. For some reason, he likes watching green stuff come out of people's nose. (what can I say, he paid rent for the sling room at the bath for a year.) Your friend is a dumb ass. What IS crazy is that my shitty china turbo that was supposed to blow up by now builds boost faster than a roots blower. Find new freinds, unless you like it when they pour sand in the ---- lube.

Are you from Florida?

I love elipses...

if you are from florida you're gay or old. i like how he almost hits the barricade at the end.

Any supercharger that gives you the response you want on a BP, is going to be too small to make any power worth a shit.

(As someone else said, there's always exceptions)

Translated: :giggle::giggle:

at first i wanted a superchager to set it and forget it, but after looking at this forum and all the diy turbo builds, it became apparent that turbo is the way to go.
not to mention the dynos...

So mp62 @ 250whp/225ftlb on stock 99 top/bottom and responds like a NA is power not worth a shit?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1313101124

Hint hint sir: What goes in between these things "()" applies.

But your standard off the shelf S/C setups are garbage, which was the point i was attempting to convey. (How fast are you spinning that M62 to do that, anyways? Can you rev to redline without burning a bearing? Or are we talking modded M62 here?)


My intent was not to shit in your cheerios. :giggle:

stock over lay with a 52mm nose. all the power over 210 is from tuning. other then ecu the mp62 i have is the standard kit you get form tdr or moss with out powpowpowpowercards.

Why can't all supercharger people be like you???

It should be evident by now, band aids = shit stain. Turbo w/ band aids = shit stain. Supercharger w/ band aids = shit stain.

Jeff Man w/ REAL ecu w/ MP62 = Not totally shit stain but just a little :laugh:

Just messing, buddy.

My supercharger makes 294whp on a 1.6L. But lacks on torque.. 193wtq. At 15PSI. Seems you can either get all torque everywhere with "good" HP, or lotsa HP and sad panda torque with the two types of chargers available.

That's actually pretty awesome. :)

I think the point i was making was that for everyone proper supercharger setup on a Miata, there's 20 jank ones. :laugh:


Don't take what i said as "hating" or whatever kids my generation are saying these days. I have an M62 sitting in the garage at home as "Plan B" for the KLZE Escort in case i don't make enough power to compete at a National level in SMF Solo. :giggle:

No I have both. i'm only running 10.8psi on a 91oc tune. Looking for a 56mm pully to run 8psi so i don't snap a rod.


i was just fucking we people, mt.net hates sc stereotype and all

^^ stock motor?

I also am only running 91oct. And make 225whp at approx 10.5PSI as well. However, less torque.

15PSI is only at 8000RPM.

At the end of the day, I'm happy with my car as are you.

yes, all stock motor parts with 130k on them

10.8 psi at about 3k.