rotrex 1.6 vs 1.8
I got really scared, and disheartened. THEN I saw that this was probably on a 1.6L and then I felt MUCH better!
I'm shooting for 260whp on a c30-94 and stock exhaust, but I have a 1.8L VVT witha flattop. Good luck with sale! |
Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1345225)
I got really scared, and disheartened. THEN I saw that this was probably on a 1.6L and then I felt MUCH better!
I'm shooting for 260whp on a c30-94 and stock exhaust, but I have a 1.8L VVT witha flattop. Good luck with sale! |
I beg to disagree
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...196ba22a62.jpg *edit: just realized this is a FS thread and not a discussion thread. My bad. Moving these 3 posts |
rotrex 1.6 vs 1.8
originally from this thread:
https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...0/#post1345306
Originally Posted by Raisin
(Post 1345219)
I'd call it a Kraftwerks "Race" Kit, but its really not anymore. Fits 90-93. Made 291WHP on E85, 246whp on pump on Dyno Dynamics.
Re-designed T6061 bracket for handling higher stress and better belt tension. Included are: - Brackets - Rotrex C30-94 blower - Large intercooler and pipes - Tial 50mm BOV - Custom spec Kelford camshafts - Custom Maxim Works Header with 3" outlet and anti-reversion - Upsized Setrab Rotrex oil cooler Price: $4000 Well sorted setup that provided years of enjoyment, only selling because my motor ingested a throttle body screw. Can split the package but the main bits need to go first. Attachment 176354 Attachment 176355 Attachment 176356 Attachment 176357 Attachment 176358 Video of the car in action chasing a 600hp 996 Turbo: UBCSCC - Mission Raceway - Chasing the Turdle - YouTube |
Wait, did I start a new thread? I'm so dumb. Sorry lol.
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Originally Posted by Raisin
(Post 1345305)
To be honest, even with larger motor and a 1.8VVT it will not feel as torquey as this setup. Back to back comparisons with a local 1.8VVT says that you may hit similar peak HP numbers, but the feeling is not the same. You really need a good set of cams to wake up the Rotrex's midrange power, none of which any current vendors offer as an out-of-the-box solution
DO you have any dyno plots before and after the custom cams? Did you just replace the cams, no valvetrain mods? Care to PM the specs of the cams you got made? (long shot, but no shame) Wait, don't I have different camshafts than you did before your customs? Did your local 1.8vvt have a flat top? |
Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1345383)
Wait, did I start a new thread? I'm so dumb. Sorry lol.
I disagree with his statement though. 1.8 vvt will still make more torque and power than a 1.6, and over a broader range, even with a rotrex, and custom cams are not needed. |
That is usually the case, but I'm curious to see what difference just the cams made for him.
I don't think I'll be lacking in torque (totally will compared to a turbo setup) but if I only make 200whp or like under 200wtq, through the stock exhaust, I'll get cams for sure. |
As a point of reference, my car made 196whp with a c30-74 with a 75mm pulley. This is on a stock VVT motor with the stock exhaust system on 91 pump gas. During that tuning session the car was seeing knock. I now have a racing beat header and a 2.5" exhaust that's ready to go on and going to a retune soon. My torque curve looks similar in shape to the 949racing dyno plot above but with my peak torque at about 5.5k and much lower numbers (160wtq).
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What engine management were you on? What injectors? Do you think you were seeing knock because of the stock exhaust system?
I was reading that the backpressure on the stock exhaust is not a big of an issue with superchargers, while a turbocharger system would really not like it. |
He was seeing knock because of 91. It is the worst. It will knock before mbt no matter what.
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Oh ok. I'll just have to fill up on E85 when I'm in cali, and be careful filling up on my way over.
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Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1345385)
DO you have any dyno plots before and after the custom cams? Did you just replace the cams, no valvetrain mods? Care to PM the specs of the cams you got made? (long shot, but no shame)
Wait, don't I have different camshafts than you did before your customs? Did your local 1.8vvt have a flat top?
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1345388)
I disagree with his statement though. 1.8 vvt will still make more torque and power than a 1.6, and over a broader range, even with a rotrex, and custom cams are not needed.
Originally Posted by fredricktsang
(Post 1345416)
As a point of reference, my car made 196whp with a c30-74 with a 75mm pulley. This is on a stock VVT motor with the stock exhaust system on 91 pump gas. During that tuning session the car was seeing knock. I now have a racing beat header and a 2.5" exhaust that's ready to go on and going to a retune soon. My torque curve looks similar in shape to the 949racing dyno plot above but with my peak torque at about 5.5k and much lower numbers (160wtq).
Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1345424)
What engine management were you on? What injectors? Do you think you were seeing knock because of the stock exhaust system?
I was reading that the backpressure on the stock exhaust is not a big of an issue with superchargers, while a turbocharger system would really not like it. |
No e85 around MRLS. You will need to run 100 octane or something.
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Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1345424)
What engine management were you on? What injectors? Do you think you were seeing knock because of the stock exhaust system?
I was reading that the backpressure on the stock exhaust is not a big of an issue with superchargers, while a turbocharger system would really not like it. |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1345466)
No e85 around MRLS. You will need to run 100 octane or something.
Best I can get in utah is 92 octane. There are like three E85 stations in the state, all of which are in salt lake city. Nevada 91 is much better than cali 91 (IIRC), so I should be ok filling up through nevada. |
Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1345497)
Ok, that's good to know. I'll have realtime flex fuel by the time I'm on my way to MRLS. Maybe I'll tune a bit with 18psi on the 100 octane before hand.
Best I can get in utah is 92 octane. There are like three E85 stations in the state, all of which are in salt lake city. Nevada 91 is much better than cali 91 (IIRC), so I should be ok filling up through nevada. 5 Best Octane Boosters and Additives 2016 - MyCarNeedsThis |
Nevada has the same shit gas that CA does. So does Arizona.
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Originally Posted by bahurd
(Post 1345500)
You can always throw a bottle or 2 of octane booster in the trunk in case you run into problems finding the right fuel on the way.
5 Best Octane Boosters and Additives 2016 - MyCarNeedsThis Oh well, I'll just have to not floor it the whole way. I'll be able to keep 120km/h the whole way no problem at half throttle. |
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