The outlet for that traction fluid line, is it free of kinks and stuff? It looks like it could be in that one pic.
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The kit does come with a restrictor. It is the black circular thing next to the pulley in the kit overview photo further up. It is required to have the restrictor fitted, for the kit to be legal in Denmark. Somehow I must have forgotten to put it in. Let's hope I don't keep forgetting it :)
I haven't done any boost leak testing. I'll try to make a tool, and get it done. |
Originally Posted by mmmjesse
(Post 1407125)
The outlet for that traction fluid line, is it free of kinks and stuff? It looks like it could be in that one pic.
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Any chance your belt has become glazed? Or your pulleys?
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Originally Posted by huesmann
(Post 1407792)
Any chance your belt has become glazed? Or your pulleys?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...76c1bbb502.jpg That looks very worn, doesn't it? Almost like the teeth have been ground down. I've indicated the belt routing in this photo. Note that the three center pulleys are flat, and the belt runs teeth in on two of the three pulleys. That's probably not ideal, but would it cause belt slip? I've also indicated the tensioner direction with an arrow. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c7b5543296.jpg Any suggestions? |
I have no experience with this, but maybe switching the bottom smooth pulley with the center ribbed pulley would help? Just a thought.
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All three pulleys in the center of the photo are flat. Only the charger and the crank pulleys are ribbed.
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Originally Posted by Delaney
(Post 1408027)
All three pulleys in the center of the photo are flat. Only the charger and the crank pulleys are ribbed.
Flat pulleys are OK on the outside of your belt, but not really on the inside I think. The important thing here is belt tension: you need tension to prevent the belt to slip. I am afraid the flat idler pulleys sort of squash the high ribs of the belt and prevent you from getting proper tension. |
without any prior knowledge, that sounds right. :)
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I have tried changing the belt routing by rotating the mounting of the tensioner, so the tensioner movement is more downwards. Illustrated here.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b81235a61f.jpg This setup also doesn't seem to work, since the tensioner doesn't move sufficiently down to take out the slack, even with the shortest possible belt. I'm lost here. Help. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1405206)
I'd be really surprised if a 180hp Miata would be huffing enough air to collapse a silicone inlet, but maybe
Something's really weird here. Did you buy this kit new or used? It almost seems like the bracket and tensioner system is not compatible with your setup...like the kit is for AC or No AC and you have the opposite. |
Do you have proper check valves on all the vac lines? Could have one going bad that burps at ~6.5psi
Also, what kit is this? Every other one I've ever seen has the SC mounted significantly higher, plus I notice the one tensioner pulley in your system seems to be a good 6-7cm below the main crank pulley... |
All the charge tubing and intake are silicone. Looking back over this thread, I'm still sayin its those hoses collapsing at 6000rpm.
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Do you, or someone you know, have a go-pro or something similar? Would be easy to see if it is the hoses that way.
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Originally Posted by Enginerd
(Post 1415418)
If it's a cheap hose, a stock Miata at idle will collapse a silicone inlet. My old MP62 setup used to do it. I would hope the kit the OP has included a quality hose.
Something's really weird here. Did you buy this kit new or used? It almost seems like the bracket and tensioner system is not compatible with your setup...like the kit is for AC or No AC and you have the opposite. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c7b5543296.jpg
Originally Posted by themonkeyman
(Post 1416386)
Do you have proper check valves on all the vac lines? Could have one going bad that burps at ~6.5psi
Also, what kit is this? Every other one I've ever seen has the SC mounted significantly higher, plus I notice the one tensioner pulley in your system seems to be a good 6-7cm below the main crank pulley... The kit is a Danish offering from small company CCR Racing. You are right, it is a very low mount. The tentioner pulley is the top one in the photo above, with the tensioning direction marked with an arrow. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bbb4299948.jpg
Originally Posted by thumpetto007
(Post 1416569)
All the charge tubing and intake are silicone. Looking back over this thread, I'm still sayin its those hoses collapsing at 6000rpm.
Originally Posted by x_25
(Post 1416634)
Do you, or someone you know, have a go-pro or something similar? Would be easy to see if it is the hoses that way.
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Originally Posted by Delaney
(Post 1416637)
Just so we are on the same page here, only the hose between the filter and the charger would be capable of collapsing at full boost right?
honestly why would you run without the restrictor if thats how its supposed to be installed? Put it on, no more hose collapse. I cant believe this problem has persisted so long lol. I also cant believe a company can sell a kit of such terrible quality. When i first saw this thread, i thought you had cobbled together random cars silicone inlets, and done a diy bracket and pulley setup. |
Originally Posted by Delaney
(Post 1416637)
Kit was bought new, some 25-30 cars run this kit in Denmark. However, almost all run with a chunky restrictor in the inlet, and noone is facing the same issues. The charger is mounted in place of the AC compressor. So no mixups there. But the setup is probably not ideal for belt wear, given that the belt ribs are running on the flat pulleys in two locations.
I have no valves in the system, except for the recirc valve seen in the photo below. Which vac line would I be concerend about? The kit is a Danish offering from small company CCR Racing. You are right, it is a very low mount. The tentioner pulley is the top one in the photo above, with the tensioning direction marked with an arrow. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bbb4299948.jpg I also cant believe a company can sell a kit of such terrible quality. When i first saw this thread, i thought you had cobbled together random cars silicone inlets, and done a diy bracket and pulley setup. |
Background info: In Denmark we have this lovely rule, than any changed component on a car is illegal, unless it has been verified by the German testing lab TÜV. And I mean everything, wheels, air filters, steering wheels. The lot. For example, I run 1.8 brakes on my 1.6 car = illegal. As you can appreciate, running a boosted car in Denmark is not easy. CCR has put the kit together and has had it tested at TÜV at great effort and cost. As such, this one kit is the only legal way to boost a Miata in Denmark.
For the TÜV approval to be valid, the car has to run with the restrictor, the stock ECU and the stock injectors. This gives a lift of 116->150 flywheel hp. This of course sucks. Therefore, I have chosen to run this kit without the restrictor using a ms2 and bigger injectors. It will then look legal, but I can hope to make maybe 210 fly hp when everything is tuned properly. I appreciate your comments about the kit, but they only add to my frustration about the Danish laws. I never came across anybody mentioning the need to run additional valves even with high boost Rotrex installs. I don't believe the come supplied with the American kits? The photo above was from when I was finishing the install. The crankcase line was connected before first start of the car with the kit. Looks like this now: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7687b7f745.jpg |
^ah ok. But I still feel like there was more than one reason they used the restrictor. Did you try running with it back in to see if the problem persisted? You could still tune it for more than the kit legally can make, even with the restrictor.
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Just to close this off: The second hand barely used charger I was using, turned out to be 13 years old and worn. It was slipping in the internal friction drive. New charger fitted. Problem solved. |
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