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poormxdad 08-27-2016 07:53 AM

What to expect after removing catalytic converter?
 
Gents,

I needed to pull the header to get it welded--the EGR tube fitting cracked. While I had it out, I decided to inspect the cat. The metal spiral core had separated from the case and was fairly loose inside. I had the core removed and I've remounted the empty cat. I drove it a short distance to work--I wanted to make sure the header welding was okay. AFRs seemed fine around town, so I took it on the highway on the way home. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Is there anything I should expect, like lower boost levels, from running without the cat? Do I need a retune for track use? Should I just get another hi-flow cat?

Thanks,

pdexta 08-27-2016 10:39 AM

I wouldn't expect a change in boost level, especially with a blower. Keep an eye on AFR's under acceleration. Reducing exhaust restriction should pick up some power and lean out your tune. You may need to add a little fuel to the top of your VE table.

18psi 08-27-2016 12:42 PM

its gonna sound nasty/raspy and stink a little
otherwise no issues.

poormxdad 08-27-2016 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1356948)
its gonna sound nasty/raspy and stink a little
otherwise no issues.

It sounds stupid. Would I be better off with a new high flow cat or a straight pipe?

psyber_0ptix 08-27-2016 03:25 PM

Expect to save 15% or more by switching to Geico.

Joe Perez 08-27-2016 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by poormxdad (Post 1356962)
It sounds stupid. Would I be better off with a new high flow cat or a straight pipe?

A straight pipe won't meaningfully change the sound relative to the gutted shell you have now. Might be a tiny bit louder (as you'd be removing what is effectively an expansion chamber), but it's definitely not going to improve things.

pdexta 08-27-2016 05:17 PM

Adding a resonator... or a turbo... will help the rasp a lot.

poormxdad 08-27-2016 05:35 PM

It sounds like a garage door spring being hit by a clown with a maraca.

Joe Perez 08-27-2016 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by poormxdad (Post 1356988)
It sounds like a garage door spring being hit by a clown with a maraca.

:bowrofl:

That just made a little bit of expensive scotch go through my nose. Burns like hell, in case you were wondering.


What does the rest of the exhaust system look like?

thumpetto007 08-27-2016 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1356995)
That just made a little bit of expensive scotch go through my nose.

What were you drinking? I like scotch.

Dann0 08-27-2016 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by thumpetto007 (Post 1357007)
What were you drinking? I like scotch.

Balvenie 21yo or GTFO.

Joe Perez 08-28-2016 09:46 AM

Sorry, just a 15 year Glenlivet.

psyber_0ptix 08-28-2016 11:17 AM

No love for the Lagavulin 16?

thumpetto007 08-28-2016 12:17 PM

Haha good stuff! We are all manly men. We drink scotch and drive silly little cars. We know we are men, we dont need to prove to the world!

poormxdad 08-28-2016 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1356995)
: What does the rest of the exhaust system look like?

Seems to be in pretty good shape. I got everything from Jason at Enthuzacar. I have the longest Magnaflow resonator that will fit, and a Borla Pro something muffler. If I were to do it again, I'd get a four inch or so shorter resonator and have it welded up so the can was as far away from the back of the seatwell as possible.

Although I'm partial to anything from The Macallan or Laphroaig, I have recently been enjoying Alberta Blended Rye Whisky Dark Batch from Canada. Just a little sweet.

Chooofoojoo 08-30-2016 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1357091)
No love for the Lagavulin 16?

Oh there is love. Distillers Edition or regular Lagavulin 16 all day. :love:

Joe Perez 08-30-2016 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by poormxdad (Post 1357184)
(...) and a Borla Pro something muffler.

Well there's your problem.

Most of the exhaust systems that Enthuza builds use straight-through mufflers, and the Borla Pro is one of those. These mufflers are basically just a huge glasspack- they do not have any internal baffling.

This is ideal for turbocharged engines, since the turbo itself happens to be a very good muffler. But for supercharged or naturally-aspirated engines, they're not much better than an old-school cherry bomb in terms of quieting the high frequencies.

18psi 08-30-2016 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1357592)
Well there's your problem.

Most of the exhaust systems that Enthuza builds use straight-through mufflers, and the Borla Pro is one of those. These mufflers are basically just a huge glasspack- they do not have any internal baffling.

This is ideal for turbocharged engines, since the turbo itself happens to be a very good muffler. But for supercharged or naturally-aspirated engines, they're not much better than an old-school cherry bomb in terms of quieting the high frequencies.

Chambered mufflers are not any better, but also kill flow, so they suck twice as hard.

You want the bestest quietest high flow setup? big maggie with a cat. done

I learned a long time ago that resonators don't quiet down an exhaust. I've gone as far as running 2 21" resonators (think about that for a second), and it still wasn't "quiet". you want a big, thick, (that's what she said) muffler. the bigger in girth, the better (again, what she said)

Joe Perez 08-30-2016 01:30 PM

There's a difference between a huge resonator and a baffled muffler.

stratosteve 08-30-2016 01:36 PM


Just install some whistle tips and win.


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