What's wrong with superchargers?
10-01-2012, 12:53 PM
#141
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lol aint that the truth.
99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.
Its funny.
In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.
I wonder why.
99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.
Its funny.
In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.
I wonder why.
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10-01-2012, 12:58 PM
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lol aint that the truth.
99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.
Its funny.
In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.
I wonder why.
99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.
Its funny.
In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.
I wonder why.
Honestly, 99% of turbo installs are garbage too. You certainly have a lot more people making big power with turbos than SCs on these cars, but those are in the 1% too. Everyone else is buying a shitty used Greddy kit and a voodoo box and making 150rwhp and screaming "woooooo trrrbooooo".
In the end, different strokes for different folks. I like having power the millisecond I mash the throttle. Other people like the delayed kick in the pants of a turbo -- it makes the car feel faster than it is, but all we're in this for is fun anyway, so that's fine. Just depends what you like.
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10-01-2012, 03:44 PM
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VHS beat out Beta for four reasons:
1: Sony thought they could duplicate the success of their professional U-matic format, and decided to adopt a totally closed, proprietary model. JVC, by comparison, freely licensed the VHS technology to other manufacturers at a reasonable cost. By doing this, they created an intra-format price war in which the various VHS manufacturers competed with one another to drive down the cost of the machines, thus creating a large base of inexpensive machines which appealed to price-conscious consumers.
2: When it was first introduced, Beta could hold only 60 minutes (later 90 minutes by the use of thinner, longer tape) on a single cassette, whereas VHS debuted with a 2 hour cassette which was later stretched to 3 hours by the same technique. The immediately endeared VHS to both consumers and the video rental industry, as it meant that a whole Hollywood movie fit onto a single cassette, lowering costs (for the movie rental industry) and increasing convenience to the consumer by not having to change tapes halfway through.
3: Sony eventually resolved this dilemma by adding the B-II mode to later machines, which allowed them to run at a lower speed and, thus, hold a full movie on one tape. Of course, this immediately rendered all first-gen machines obsolete, as they were unable to play tapes recoded in the new format. It also rendered moot the relatively trivial quality advantage that Beta held over VHS in chroma resolution.
4: Faeflora was an early adopter of Beta.
Of course, it turns out that consumers (at that time) didn't really care about video quality enough to actually pay for it. Neither SuperBeta / ED Beta nor S-VHS attracted any significant consumer following, despite vastly improving picture quality in the form of increased horizontal resolution and decreased chroma noise. LaserDisc suffered the same fate- achieving only a small cult following despite a massive improvement in picture quality.
1: Sony thought they could duplicate the success of their professional U-matic format, and decided to adopt a totally closed, proprietary model. JVC, by comparison, freely licensed the VHS technology to other manufacturers at a reasonable cost. By doing this, they created an intra-format price war in which the various VHS manufacturers competed with one another to drive down the cost of the machines, thus creating a large base of inexpensive machines which appealed to price-conscious consumers.
2: When it was first introduced, Beta could hold only 60 minutes (later 90 minutes by the use of thinner, longer tape) on a single cassette, whereas VHS debuted with a 2 hour cassette which was later stretched to 3 hours by the same technique. The immediately endeared VHS to both consumers and the video rental industry, as it meant that a whole Hollywood movie fit onto a single cassette, lowering costs (for the movie rental industry) and increasing convenience to the consumer by not having to change tapes halfway through.
3: Sony eventually resolved this dilemma by adding the B-II mode to later machines, which allowed them to run at a lower speed and, thus, hold a full movie on one tape. Of course, this immediately rendered all first-gen machines obsolete, as they were unable to play tapes recoded in the new format. It also rendered moot the relatively trivial quality advantage that Beta held over VHS in chroma resolution.
4: Faeflora was an early adopter of Beta.
Of course, it turns out that consumers (at that time) didn't really care about video quality enough to actually pay for it. Neither SuperBeta / ED Beta nor S-VHS attracted any significant consumer following, despite vastly improving picture quality in the form of increased horizontal resolution and decreased chroma noise. LaserDisc suffered the same fate- achieving only a small cult following despite a massive improvement in picture quality.
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10-01-2012, 07:38 PM
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lol aint that the truth.
99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.
Its funny.
In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.
I wonder why.
99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.
Its funny.
In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.
I wonder why.
Hey I know. Knowbody should ever go into business for themselves or start up a company because they might pull a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet and God forbid they become part of the 1%ers.
So just to be clear, the majority of the posters in this thread look down on me and name call and bash because I was successful in building a SC miata that makes more power than 75% of the turbo ones?
Validation? I don't need anyone's validation. I'm a big boy thank you, and looking at the level of car I drive and spanking the competition is validation enough. Oh....and being in the 1%.
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10-01-2012, 07:49 PM
#159
That aside, it's great that you're one of the very few people driving a properly built supercharged miata that makes power. You're one of handful of people driving a properly setup supercharger.. the rest are running failaids which is a big reason why the bad vibe. Reality is IF all the turbo people were "zomgawd my car is turbo charged car running 5th injector setup and o2 sensor clamps and 12 bandaids just to make it work" and a supercharger forum that had most cars running standalone and properly built setups, the vibe would be reversed. This is all about the crowd here. The reasons why a turbo is better than a supercharger have already been discussed few pages back.
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10-01-2012, 07:54 PM
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Which doesn't make SCing a miata wrong/bad/stupid. There are a lot of stupid ways to do a lot of things in life. There are also successful ways that shouldn't fall into a blanket of stupidity, imaturity, and naivety.
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