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Old 05-15-2012, 10:35 AM   #21
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18psi,

If you went that route you would be in the $700 range as you already have NB mounts. $400 for revalves, $250 springs and $50 bump stops. Reuses your NB mounts ($200)
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I just can't imagine rebuilding only one shock out of a group- like replacing just one tire.

OTOH, it'd be a shame to part company with a nice set of Bilsteins.

OTGH, I can certainly understand your desire to cheap out and ruin you car's handing with a set of cheapo shocks randomly thrown together by blind war-orphans in Laos using donkey urine as the damping fluid.
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Follow up serious question:

would you rather have a brand new Tokico Illumina or a rebuilt Bilstein?

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I hear good things about the tokicos with the fm kit. Great daily driver shock.

However, they aren't as durable as the bilsteins.
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Follow up serious question:

would you rather have a brand new Tokico Illumina or a rebuilt Bilstein?
Please don't tell me you are looking at getting ONE shock...

What'd Shake @ FCM say about the rebuilding the whole set?
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Oh no I must not have had enough coffee during that post.
Of course I meant all 4 of each.

And FCM still hasn't answered me. I guess I'm not important enough :(
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And FCM still hasn't answered me. I guess I'm not important enough :(
Don't take it personally, Shaikh is legendary for taking "a while" to respond to email.

Just call 'em: 650.839.0290
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:36 PM   #28
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Follow up serious question:

would you rather have a brand new Tokico Illumina or a rebuilt Bilstein?
I love my Illuminas for street use and auto-x. I will eventually do the Xida thing I think, but it sounds like that's not what you are after. Get some Illuminas from AutoAnything and find a set of FM springs to go along with them if you are just building a street car.
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Rebuilt Bilstein > new Illuminas. </thread>
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Rebuilt Bilstein > new Illuminas. </thread>
For any sort of competition, I certainly agree. However I think it all depends on intended use and budget. For cruising around and "for fun" autocross, the Tokicos have been comfortable, reliable, and plenty sporty when called on. They don't work as well for a DIY coilover setup, but they are a decent dual-purpose for a car with a street bias.
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OK I'm confused because you two are providing the exact opposite feedback:

which one better for daily driving on Tein S-Tech springs?

I drive spiritedly every once in a blue moon, and even then its just the local twisty's, not a race track. Which is why I'm trying to get something like the two I'm considering, otherwise I'd just get racelands and never take a corner fast again lol
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I have Teins, and I don't think I'd consider them to be "comfortable". I think they're pretty stiff. I am happy with them so far.

Bottom line: if you can afford it, go with the better ones (Bilsteins, IMO), and not have to worry about it.
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Speaking from the perspective of a person who has never once driven his Miata on a track, and participates in AutoX events only very rarely, I have FCM-revalved Bilsteins on my car and am quite happy with them. If anything, I should probably go with a stiffer spring (I'm running FM's 318/233 springs at the moment), but all in all, it's a great ride. My shocks are one of the very first sets that Shaikh did back when he was starting out, so he may be turning out even better stuff today. (They certainly look a lot different now.)

Originally, I had this setup on my '92. Before I sold that car, I pulled them off and transplanted them onto the '90, and replaced them with a set of Racelands as they were the cheapest thing I could find. I drove the car a couple of times with that setup, and the difference was shocking. The car felt much less stable when going through steady-state turns with any kind of surface irregularity in them, as well as during turn-in and turn-out.
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Also love my FCM revalves. Running 650/450 on the street and it was smoother than the factory MSM suspension. At a later date, I'm going to see if he'll revalve the wife's MS6. I really like his work.
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FCM revavled Bilsteins are not the same as a standard out of the box set. I thought we were discussing standard, off the shelf shocks. proper Bilstein re-valves are no doubt some of the best, but off the shelf Illuminas have damping characteristics that are much better suited to the Miata than off the shelf Billies. Lifetime warranty, too.
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Ok, that's where the confusion lies then, makes sense now.

I think re-valved billies are out tbh. We're talking 300cores + 600valving + 150 tein springs or +200 springs/perches. That's already in the 1k range. Too much for daily driving imo.
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550 Illuminas + 150 springs and I'm done.


Again, I'm not making any fast decisions, so this is still up for discussion and I may very well change my mind, but that's how its starting to look from the info I'm gathering.

I just want to repeat though that comfort is my main goal here. This is why I'm trying to stick with the tein s techs: 235/179 (or somewhere in that area) rates should feel pretty darn comfy IMO. (and I know that its not all about spring rate, but I'm not trying to dump big cash on shocks that can handle higher rates).


From what I read, the illuminas can handle as soft as stock spring on softest setting, and as stiff as 400lb on stiff setting. And a few settings in between if I want to get creative and experimenting
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For that budget and street only usage why not just get Megan EZ?

Theyre about $630 shipped, and theyre super comfy on the street. My friend has them at "mod slammed" height and his car is more comfy than mine on the street, and I'm on billies. And the EZ's will be ride height adjustable.

Theyre definitely not performance oriented, but for a daily driver it'd be my choice.
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Yes, those are definitely not out of the question. Either that or the Tein Basis, which are only like 50 bux more
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Mike over at JSC speed will hook you up on basis if you want those. He can probably level the field in comparison to the EZ streets if you really want the teins.

Between the two, id say the tein has better build quality, the megan has adjustibility(which on that damper doesnt do much) as well as being a little firmer in the front. 8/6k vs teins 7/6k.
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Ok here's another comparison, all brand new:

1) regular "non-revalved" Bilsteins + Tein S-Tech springs
2) Tokico Illuminas + Tein S-Tech springs
3) Tein Street Basis coilovers

All 3 are close in price

Which would YOU pick? And why?
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