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Old 05-18-2012, 04:24 AM   #61
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I rode in his NA with oldschool FM springs + AGXs and it was NOT something I wanted anything to do with, but he liked it just fine.
Switching from FM springs on AGXes to FM springs on FCM Bilsteins was a real eye-opener as to how much of a difference quality shocks make.

Riding in another cars with ~500/300 springs (nearly 50% higher than mine) on FCM Bilsteins was even more amazing.

Daily driver, never tracked, blah blah blah.
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I was thinking: maybe I should just throw in the billies I have, as is, with the tein springs I have as well, and see how that feels before deciding to drop coin on any of this?

If I don't like the ride quality I can safely rule out 1 of my options.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:35 AM   #63
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SD revalve is 600
SD rebuild is 340
In all seriousness. Did he give you a time frame for this?
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:40 AM   #64
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LOL

No. But then our conversation ended with him telling me to basically call him back when I have them off the car and in a box ready to ship out and we'll work out the details basically. Urbansoot got his done fairly quick though, so I'm thinking Bernie is no longer lagging on the turnaround time.

There's no guarrantee that Bilstein will rebuild em quick either though. At least not that I could see on their info page.
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SD revalve is 600
SD rebuild is 340

if FCM is over 1k for a damn revalve, I don't even want them to respond to my email: I don't want their service.
I believe the web site says it's like $1200, unless I completely misunderstand the pricing.
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I was thinking: maybe I should just throw in the billies I have, as is, with the tein springs I have as well, and see how that feels before deciding to drop coin on any of this?

If I don't like the ride quality I can safely rule out 1 of my options.
Why the hell not? It's not that difficult a job, and you at least get a baseline that way.
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I believe the web site says it's like $1200, unless I completely misunderstand the pricing.
I was thinking 1200 was for the whole package meaning they provide the shocks, springs, bumps, etc.

Can't imagine them charging 1200 when Bernie charges 600 for the same thing.

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Why the hell not? It's not that difficult a job, and you at least get a baseline that way.
Only thing I was iffy about is the 1 in the rear leaking and most likely blown might sabotage the feel of the other 3.
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I was thinking 1200 was for the whole package meaning they provide the shocks, springs, bumps, etc.

Can't imagine them charging 1200 when Bernie charges 600 for the same thing.
http://fatcatmotorsports.com/FCM_Bil...ck_revalve.htm

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FCM custom-valving of Bilstein shocks for 90-09 Miata, set of 4


Damping is fixed, set for your vehicle usage, weight and springs
Our revalves can easily handle +/- 100 lb/in change in spring rate, front or rear
NOTE: 06+ OE Bilsteins are crimp-top and NOT revalvable! Only the aftermarket HD or Sport can be retuned

PLEASE FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS TO ORDER (SPRINGS NOT INCLUDED)
$1212.00
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Right, but it says: " submit payment, we will start on your revalve immediately"

Which implies that they will start working on ones they have there. Nowhere does it say "send us your shocks".


I don't know obviously, and I don't want to call them and waste their time until I've decided that I really want a re-valve anyway.

Perhaps other FCM customers can chime in?
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They quit taking customer shocks, I believe. I think I read that somewhere but I wouldn't stake my life on it.
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I said that earlier, I thought I read on the website saying they only revalve new shocks.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:38 AM   #72
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Try them out since you've got them. The only thing that can hurt your ride with them is weak spring rates causing you to hit the bumpstops easily - not the shock's fault. Mine were so much better than stock with 450/275 and the Hard S. The only reason I went up on spring rates was for necessity at the track. I actually used them with my stock springs at first before I went coilover and they were MUY BUENO! so I think you will like the valving no matter what.

Do report back with your impressions,
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You might get him to revalve them; looks like it's at his discretion:

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Revalve/rebuild? Can accept a very low-mileage 90-97 Bilstein HD but prefer to start with brand-new. You achieve better performance and longevity if we revalve new HDs whether shock-only or as part of a complete coilover package. Revalve cost is $150 per shock and we shape the entire damping curve based on vehicle + passenger weights, driving style and your typical roads. Bilstein revalves are less refined than what we perform based on our modeling and detailed consulation process.
Either way, check this page out. He details info and his thoughts on different shocks:

http://fatcatmotorsports.com/FCM_app_guide.htm#Shocks
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Ha - I've read that page like 10x over. Thank you for the link though, doesn't hurt to read it for the 11th time

Kinda sucks that they don't mention the 99-05 Sport or Hard-S bilsteins at all. Whats up with that? Or do those fall into the HD category?
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:44 PM   #75
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***SMALL SIDETRACK:

What do you guys think of the Tein Flex for my specific needs?
Might be able to get some used ones locally if the deal goes through.

Looks like they come 7kg/6kg (392/336) which seems like its a decent rate, and obviously they're super awesome with shock body length adjustment and all that jazz. Thoughts?
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Tein Flex might be an overkill. If all you want is a cheap coilover setup - Vmaxx.
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Overkill for sure, but great shocks if they are in your budget. I'd try to convince you to trade for my setup +cash if I had a suspension budget!! Right now I need to pay for dyno time though.

Get them if you can. If you don't like, they are an easy sell if they are in good shape.
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:26 PM   #78
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Dude, just convince this guy to ship these to you.

http://wichita.craigslist.org/pts/2998655982.html

EDIT: Nevermind, not revalved. Well, it's still a pretty good deal, but not smoking like I thought.
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750 a good deal? HELL NO. Not revalved, basically OTS billies + gc with nearly brand new prices.
He's had that crap on ebay for weeks now lol

And the reason I asked about the Flex is cause I think I might be able to get some used ones locally.

Will keep you guys posted
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Used Tein Flex are an excellent value, assuming they didn't see track time or excessive lowering.
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