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trae 05-01-2014 05:22 PM

5 speed power capabilities with boost
 
Hey just wondering how much power can a 5 Mt hold looking at boost

concealer404 05-01-2014 05:28 PM

Some of it.

thenuge26 05-01-2014 05:28 PM

Hey just wondering why you can't read the stickies instead of posting.

Oscar 05-01-2014 05:29 PM

Oh if only this was documented somewhere on this site.

turbofan 05-01-2014 06:25 PM

I don't know why these guys are being such dbags when all you did was ask a simple question.

The stock 5 speed is kind of a glass case and will break pretty early, like around 5-8 psi. The rods, on the other hand, are super strong, good for 20+ psi. People put Miata rods in all sorts of other engines as upgrades. Little race secret for ya ;)

fooger03 05-02-2014 08:13 AM

Trae - it depends on the year of the transmission.

90-93 5MTs are generally luck of the draw - some go at around 150hp, others have been documented to 475hp for hundreds of track hours.

Starting in 94 and going through the 97MY in North America (98MY everywhere else), they pretty much all became butter. 175hp is generally the limit, some have gone to 200hp. There are no documented '94-'97 transmissions running over 215hp long enough to get a good dyno pull in.

To fix this problem, mazda re-looked the 5 speed, but since they ran out of time for the '98 model year, they adapted the old RX7 trans to the Miata in North America for only the '98 cars. Those RX7 transmissions are beasts - there are only 2 documented cases of the '98 RX7 trans going in the Miata, both well over 650AWHP.

Starting in '99, Mazda had generally fixed the problem, and all of the 5 speeds from 99 through end of production are generally expected to hold 450-500 HP for the life of the car. The '99 and on transmissions use different mounting points, though, and are not compatible with any previous Miatas without also replacing the entire front subframe and using the shorter PPF.

dieselmiata 05-02-2014 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1127426)
The stock 5 speed is kind of a glass case and will break pretty early, like around 5-8 psi.

Isn't this dependant on what turbo is being used? I can imagine it grenading at 5-8psi with a huge turbo, but I've had no issues at 12 psi with my little TD04H.

thenuge26 05-02-2014 10:30 AM

Hey now, no real info allowed. We are trolling a noob here.

dieselmiata 05-02-2014 10:32 AM

Shit, whoops.

18psi 05-02-2014 10:37 AM

I grenaded my 5sp with 900whp, but I was granny shifting not double clutching

thenuge26 05-02-2014 10:39 AM

Congrats OP

You are the 1,000,000th person to ask that question! As your prize, you will be awarded as much sarcasm as we can fit in this thread. If you want an answer, search.

bikersam717 05-02-2014 10:40 AM

If you double clutch all of your shifts they've been track proven to be pretty reliable upwards of 350+ hp. Its the horsepower that kills them not the torque.

18psi 05-02-2014 10:41 AM

just install a 1.6 that way you limit your horsepower but have diesel-like torque

sixshooter 05-02-2014 10:46 AM

I'm actually using diesel in mine right now. It required different spark plugs but the torque output is increased by about 38%. It also lets you belch giant clouds of black smoke when you floor the throttle, which is pretty cool.

dieselmiata 05-02-2014 10:48 AM

I hear diesel in a Miata is a pretty cool thing. :party:

turbofan 05-02-2014 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1127584)
Isn't this dependant on what turbo is being used? I can imagine it grenading at 5-8psi with a huge turbo, but I've had no issues at 12 psi with my little TD04H.

No dude, size of turbo, type of clutch, driving style, etc. Has nothing to do with how long the parts will last. Only how much boost you're pushing. Don't you know that's why that's the only question people ask anymore? "How much boost will the engine take" cuz that's all that matters.

Quit complicating the situation with facts.

dieselmiata 05-02-2014 11:01 AM

I guess I deserve an eggplant as much as OP this morning.

18psi 05-02-2014 11:08 AM

when I go car shopping, the one and only question I ever ask is: how much b00zt will it hold bro'z

bikersam717 05-02-2014 11:59 AM

Fun Fact: customer at work buying a new Jetta GLI at work the other day, overhear them asking the sales person "how much boost does it put out?"

FRT_Fun 05-02-2014 12:20 PM

Go with the 4spd, much stronger and better for boost because of the longer gearing. The 4spds only came on the 89' model year so you have to look a bit, but they are out there (most people "upgrade" them to the 5spd because they are stupid).


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