Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1568808)
Hi Harold, I’m in the same boat as Bronson. I also have a V8 Miata with a T56 gearbox that I want to get rid of so badly I can’t stand it. Did you ever happen to get that measurement on the centerline to the bottom of the transmission so we can see if this would work in a V-8 swap Miata?
thanks in advance Chris One time, pull away from a stop and it just nails the first few changes up through the gears. Sometimes will hang the shift, sometimes would kick on TC on the shift. It was awesome when working correctly, but that was about a 50/50 bet on any given day. |
Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1569073)
The money for the standalone controller is definitely $$$. But the stock TCU sucks terribly. Check the forums. I had mine reprogrammed twice in 18 months of owning it because it would behave bizarrely and inconsistently.
One time, pull away from a stop and it just nails the first few changes up through the gears. Sometimes will hang the shift, sometimes would kick on TC on the shift. It was awesome when working correctly, but that was about a 50/50 bet on any given day. |
Originally Posted by Bronson M
(Post 1569075)
The controller that Harold is running is just over a grand USD so it's actually not all that bad considering the functionality of it. That'll be what I do if we can verify it fits with a V8 and I can convince myself the 50lb weight penalty is worth it.
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Originally Posted by Bronson M
(Post 1569075)
The controller that Harold is running is just over a grand USD so it's actually not all that bad considering the functionality of it. That'll be what I do if we can verify it fits with a V8 and I can convince myself the 50lb weight penalty is worth it.
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https://www.dkgecu.com/
These are the guys, and sorry the quote I got was 999 Euro's. So factoring in the exchange rate that's 1092 bald eagles They have a working LS swap and plan to offer LS hardware as well. |
That looks amazing. Really makes be want to put this trans behind a turbo K series...
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I'd be lying if I hadn't thought about this instead of a 4 speed for the LS car.
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Originally Posted by z31maniac
(Post 1569073)
The money for the standalone controller is definitely $$$. But the stock TCU sucks terribly. Check the forums. I had mine reprogrammed twice in 18 months of owning it because it would behave bizarrely and inconsistently.
One time, pull away from a stop and it just nails the first few changes up through the gears. Sometimes will hang the shift, sometimes would kick on TC on the shift. It was awesome when working correctly, but that was about a 50/50 bet on any given day. Ok, I am a bit confused here. So what did you have reprogrammed? The BMW TCU or the aftermarket ECU? What is this in? Also, who are you and where can I see this. I see that you are in OKC and so am I. |
in my mx5 i bypassed the bmw tcu. you could see it if you want. let me know next time you are in Norway :D
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Dct
Originally Posted by hf-mx5t
(Post 1556021)
If parts were made available for sale, would there be any interest? i can make and supply 7075t6 billet flywheel adapter with ss2541 Splined adapter for DCT transmissions. Will bolt on to a miata 1.8 flywheel and mate to a DCT perfectly.
Engine mounts to raise the engine the correct amount could also be made, and probably the trans mount. custom driveshaft can be made but shipping would be expensive from norway. A kmiata 6speed e46 bmw trans plate would have to be sourced in the US(no point in shipping it back and forth). |
Got my tranny, gutted the BMW TCU.
Adapter plate and all the trimmings on the way, Can't wait https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...14eb735f22.jpg |
Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1573074)
Got my tranny, gutted the BMW TCU.
Adapter plate and all the trimmings on the way, Can't wait |
Originally Posted by Bronson M
(Post 1573076)
very nice! Can you do me a favor? Slap a tape measure on the trans and get a measurement from the centerline of the input shaft to the bottom of the pan or whatever is lowest. A few of us are trying to see what it would take to fit with various motors.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e3e1390bc.jpeg |
Originally Posted by fmcokc
(Post 1573078)
8 3/8” from my quick measurement. It appears the very front edge of the pan is the lowest thing on the transmission
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So here's a measurement for you guys considering an LS. I've measured 2.75" to the pan rail. I'm running a 5" kevko road race pan for a total of 7.75" from crank centerline. So we're looking at this thing hanging 5/8" lower than the pan......or just enough to concern me. I'll have to check again and see for sure how low that is in relation to the frame rails and other items that should prevent a holy trans pan.
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I'm looking for the pin outs for a E46 M3 DCT shifter. It's a 2005 if that matters. I'm not starting my swap by buying a part a day. Although I do have a mental note to do this swap in 2021.
This is for iRacing. I've decided I want a sequential shifter controller and the good ones start at $300. Since I think a fly by wire car controller is a lever, knob, microswitches, I'll start with that. I got a E46 DCT shifter off eBay for $40. Add $10 key/joystick USB controller, I should be there. Can anyone point me at a PDF for the E46 M3 DCT shifter pin outs? Bill |
Originally Posted by billybobster
(Post 1579096)
I'm looking for the pin outs for a E46 M3 DCT shifter. It's a 2005 if that matters. I'm not starting my swap by buying a part a day. Although I do have a mental note to do this swap in 2021.
This is for iRacing. I've decided I want a sequential shifter controller and the good ones start at $300. Since I think a fly by wire car controller is a lever, knob, microswitches, I'll start with that. I got a E46 DCT shifter off eBay for $40. Add $10 key/joystick USB controller, I should be there. Can anyone point me at a PDF for the E46 M3 DCT shifter pin outs? Bill I shall continue to lurk on this thread in the meantime. PS: The connecting a switch to iRacing via USB easy. The $10 switch/joystick USB board is 100% plug/play straight into Windows. From there into any sim. Maybe I'll DIY a swanky button box instead. |
Originally Posted by billybobster
(Post 1580644)
My "brilliant" idea to use a E46 M3 DCT shifter to provide a sequential shifter for iRacing? I'll give it a "nice try but no" rating. I opened up the shifter and no microswitches. There's a magnet at the end of the shift lever and what I'm guessing are some magnetic sensor surface mount ICs on a circuit board below. Some BMW digital contactless something. Could a hardcore tech wonk hack a solution? Probably, but not me. I'll put the shifter in a box and save it for when I do the "real" DCT box swap on my Miata (at least a year away after I do some other mods).
I shall continue to lurk on this thread in the meantime. PS: The connecting a switch to iRacing via USB easy. The $10 switch/joystick USB board is 100% plug/play straight into Windows. From there into any sim. Maybe I'll DIY a swanky button box instead. E46 M3 uses an SMG, not a DCT. It's just a 420G gearbox with actuators and solenoids and a slightly different bellhousing. They are universally loathed for jerky shifting and common failures in the BMW community |
The wiring diagram can be found here, but it doesn't seem like it would help much.
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Firstly I just want to say that this is absolutely brilliant, OP you are one big balled mofo. I'm an engineering student in California with a bit of a Miata addiction, or so my friends tell me.
So far I've gleaned that you're running some sort of custom controller bypassing the stock bmw tcu. I'm curious if it would be possible to make a very bare bones controller with only manual control, no throttle blipping maybe two preset torque settings for a daily vs performance mode. Anyway, if anyone on here has a pinout or wiring schematic for any generation of bmw dsg that would be greatly appreciated! |
Go reread you'll see he's using a DKG ecu, that ecm requires you to strip all the BMW controls from the trans and it controls the selenoids directly. The functionality you're describing isn't simple, it assumes there is something handling the clutch to clutch shift timing and actual shifting of the gears. The DKG is about as simple and cheap as it gets and it's neither cheap or simple.
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Good catch on the ecu, and thanks for the input It seems like DKG's webshop is not currently offering products which is unfortunate. Still if anyone out there has a schematic of the inputs to the transmission(and range of allowable inputs would be especially helpful) it would drastically help with development of diy controllers. Thanks again for the response.
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Originally Posted by ICE-.-
(Post 1586214)
Good catch on the ecu, and thanks for the input It seems like DKG's webshop is not currently offering products which is unfortunate. Still if anyone out there has a schematic of the inputs to the transmission(and range of allowable inputs would be especially helpful) it would drastically help with development of diy controllers. Thanks again for the response.
The info you're asking for only exist from ZF, the oem interface outside of the case are most likely CAN based and not what you want to do......I'm highly suggesting not going down that rabbit hole, you'll have way more than the money invested in the DKG ECU and be playing catch up to their level of development |
This mount is secured, via a total of 8 bolts, to the trans tunnel. The tunnel is made out of maybe 1 mm sheet metal. Considering the strength of the attachment point, does it need to be such a strong mount? I'm sure you have good reason, I would really appreciate if you could shed some light on this. |
I believe that stock powerplant frame keeps the rear end of the trans locked in up/down and left/right movement.
That trans is longer and heavier, would think that locking it into position so its weight is not leveraging the engine in the front would be wanted. Looks like the bolts go though the sides right where the seats front support structure is as well, and that is layered up a bit more then 1mm thick |
HTG Tuning
Just learned about this company in Poland
Standalone ECU for DCT, PDK and VW boxes for 1000 euro (cheap!): https://htg-tuning.com/shop/htg-gcu-...-control-unit/ B6/BP trans adapter: https://htg-tuning.com/shop/mazda-b6...dapter-kit-i6/ also wiring harnesses, shifters,etc. Remote tuning support. Another alternative to the MaxxECU https://htg-tuning.com/wp-content/up...te-800x432.png https://htg-tuning.com/wp-content/up...cu-500x500.jpg |
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the reasoning behind making the trans mount solid is to do it once, and never have it fail. the trans is HEAVY, and a lot of weght will be hanging of those mounts. so i mounted it with a backing plate inside the car and several bolts because it takes the same effort as making it with less bolts and weaker. i could probably lift the car up inverted from my mount.. but i know it will never fail :D
HTG is also a good option now, and probably the way i would go if i got the trans controller now. I used dkgecu as i was a very early user of the DCT trans in any car. HTG seems to be more into the buisness side and better user interface. |
@hf-mx5t I'm curious where you got this splined insert? Is it something you machined?
I see a lot of these BMW DCT swap kits with bolt-in inserts like this. I'm curious if it's an "off the shelf" part, or if companies are machining them for their kits. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...25eebaac35.png |
Dct kit
Originally Posted by hf-mx5t
(Post 1527850)
Just a few progress pictures of my ongoing DCT swap in a 92 miata.
Im installing a 7 speed dct box from a 2016 M4, "because i can". It will fit the BP with a slightly modified Kmiata adapter plate, but pretty much everything else will be custom made. it will fit in the transmission tunell, and for a 450whp street/trackday car it will be plenty strong, and have a higher top speed/lower rpm for cruising/autobahn driving(200mph miata?) https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...03a1eed255.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9f70f969bd.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b7d61112a1.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e3ab191d22.jpg |
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