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hf-mx5t 08-17-2019 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 1546108)
That would require DBW.

correct, or a mechanical throttle blipper, the transmission control unit does output throttle blip signal that can be used with a solenoid to blip even with a carbed engine if you want to.

hf-mx5t 10-05-2019 07:09 PM

Very low boostlevel, and softest possible shifting of the gearbox, but it works!
Worlds first 7 speed dualclutch transmission miata turbo :)



emilio700 10-05-2019 09:00 PM

So freaking cool. We plan to put one in a Mustang behind a K24 with 90 series EFR next year.

shuiend 10-05-2019 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1551272)
So freaking cool. We plan to put one in a Mustang behind a K24 with 90 series EFR next year.

Wait what?


patsmx5 10-06-2019 03:06 AM

This is the most winning thing I've seen in a long time.

adlz 10-06-2019 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by hf-mx5t (Post 1551268)
and softest possible shifting of the gearbox, but it works!

ye felt like it should shift faster
mb you just pushing button too slow lol
cvt next?


hf-mx5t 10-06-2019 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by adlz (Post 1551294)
ye felt like it should shift faster
mb you just pushing button too slow lol
cvt next?

its probably running less than 300whp now, and slow shifting, it will be a lot faster at full tilt :D

emilio700 10-06-2019 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1551274)

Don't want to hijack Harold's thread. We will start a new thread over on mustang6g and explode some heads when the time comes.

Meanwhile yeah I thought the shifts were a bit slow and clunky. Calzada is going to help us where he can. Whatever we come up with tech-wise will be handed over to KMiata for possible future kit.

Reverant 10-06-2019 12:20 PM

The shifts maybe clunky because his ECU can't reduce the torque proportionally during the shift as the TCU would normally request to the stock BMW ECU. The shift speed may be increased through the software but this will increase the jerky shift even more.

hf-mx5t 10-06-2019 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 1551323)
The shifts maybe clunky because his ECU can't reduce the torque proportionally during the shift as the TCU would normally request to the stock BMW ECU. The shift speed may be increased through the software but this will increase the jerky shift even more.

No shift times have been tuned. It has literally seen 10min of use:) it reduces power for too long as it is now and it was also set in "non sport mode"
It's a lot faster and smoother on my friends chevy nova with the same setup but with more refined tuning :)

patsmx5 10-06-2019 05:35 PM

If you happen to know the answers, I have a few questions.

How fast in milli-seconds can this transmission possibly shift when tuned for it?

Can it shift with no torque reduction at all?

Could it take 500-600 hp and also shift with no torque reduction?

Max RPM this box can handle?

curly 10-06-2019 05:36 PM

If you’ve ever driven a BMW DCT, sport/m-mode is a pretty drastic different. If that’s equivalent to non-sport mode, then the final tune will be pretty incredible.

hf-mx5t 10-06-2019 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1551339)
If you’ve ever driven a BMW DCT, sport/m-mode is a pretty drastic different. If that’s equivalent to non-sport mode, then the final tune will be pretty incredible.

Correct, this is a street car, so it has a "soft" mode.. and a full on, as fast and brutal as it gets mode.. the video shows the slowest i can get it to shift..
its downright brutal when its full on in "sport" mode..

Video of the same controller in a E30 shows that is doesnt need to bee soft and slow like mine. He runs the same ECU i do.

hf-mx5t 10-06-2019 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 1551338)
If you happen to know the answers, I have a few questions.

How fast in milli-seconds can this transmission possibly shift when tuned for it?

Can it shift with no torque reduction at all?

Could it take 500-600 hp and also shift with no torque reduction?

Max RPM this box can handle?

A full shift operation takes about 80ms, but a normal throttle reduce/ign cut time would be around 30-40ms. One clutch starts engaging while the other starts releasing so in does not really drop drive to the wheels.
Its a good idea to run either throttle reduce or ign cut(outputs in the controller for both).
People have run 750nm on the stock clutches at lower clutch pressure levels than we do. around 900nm on stock clutches, closer to 1300+ nm on upgraded clutches. The gearsets seem to take pretty much whatever you are able to put into them :D

hf-mx5t 10-06-2019 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1551272)
So freaking cool. We plan to put one in a Mustang behind a K24 with 90 series EFR next year.

Ive seen the DCT behind a honda engine with a turbo in a RX8. so it has been done and is probably a really cool setup :)

patsmx5 10-06-2019 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by hf-mx5t (Post 1551342)
A full shift operation takes about 80ms, but a normal throttle reduce/ign cut time would be around 30-40ms. One clutch starts engaging while the other starts releasing so in does not really drop drive to the wheels.
Its a good idea to run either throttle reduce or ign cut(outputs in the controller for both).
People have run 750nm on the stock clutches at lower clutch pressure levels than we do. around 900nm on stock clutches, closer to 1300+ nm on upgraded clutches. The gearsets seem to take pretty much whatever you are able to put into them :D

Thanks. I need to look more into this. I did my auto swap a few years ago and while it's been bomb-proof reliable and probably 10-20ms shift times with no torque reduction, it's only 3 gears and slushbox. A DCT could be in my future. I will be watching how yours turns out when it's all tuned up.

You mentioned it's a good idea to reduce throttle or cut ignition. I'm guessing clutch wear if you don't?

SamM_UK 10-07-2019 09:42 AM

Great work! Pleased to see it running :cool:

TurboTim 10-07-2019 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 1551292)
This is the most winning thing I've seen in a long time.

Same here. I do want this trans controller.

concealer404 10-07-2019 11:26 AM

I was honestly pretty OK with the shifting in the Miata video. That's 7 available gears and consistent shifts about as fast as you could realistically expect to do yourself with an H pattern, but with the ability to do it EVERY time.

Then i saw the E30 video. Holy hell. Yusssss.

sometorque 10-07-2019 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 1551339)
If you’ve ever driven a BMW DCT, sport/m-mode is a pretty drastic different. If that’s equivalent to non-sport mode, then the final tune will be pretty incredible.

Correct. My old 135i used this exact same box and it was a night and day difference between the two settings.


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