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The Better Bilstein Ebay Coilover Thread
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Post up any issues, builds, spring rates measured/used, prices, links, revalve dyno's, etc. DO post new questions not already answered, Don't post the same questions already answered. Bilstein Coilover builds only! No mucking it up with Koni's, stock shocks, blabla.
Step one buy some Bilsteins new or used. If you bought them used take them apart now. You might be saying to yourself "This is too hard, its complicated." Man up, my 2 year old can build these. Spoon fed. Pop those top hats and springs off. You should use a spring compressor, I didn't. It will pop like a tube of biscuits. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 Turn the shock upside down, put the threaded end on something soft like wood or aluminum. Now beat the crap out of the spring perch with a 3lbs sledge, like a viking warrior chopping a head off with a hatchet. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 It will eventually fall off. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 Do this to all four https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 If you have this tab on your shock, grind it off. You should wear safety glasses, gloves, and use a vice. I didn't, but I'm really strong and have special eyes. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 It should look like this when done. Don't grind a hole in your shock dummy. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 Slide your ebay collar on to this c-clip. No lube required. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184485 |
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It sits on the C-clip like this.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184937 Now put your adjustable perches on and your spring. Measure your springs, the thinner gauge steel goes on the rear which is the shorter shock. Thicker gauge goes on the front with the longer shock. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184937 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184937 Trim your bumpstops down to between 30-40mm. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184937 Put some QA1 torrington bearings on that shit, Xida's have them. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184937 Put some poly isolators on those dudes, the springs are short and you don't like loud NVH. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397184937 |
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Dont use that bump stop washer cup.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 Do go to HDR Home Depot Racing and get 8 flat replacements, use two per shock. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 Now put the top hat bushing on. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 Put the top hat, rest of your cut bump stop, and washer on it. Why am I using the left over bump stop as a bushing? fatcat says it gets rid of NVH and its free. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 You can also use some medium hard ones from summit. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 Bam! https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397185328 |
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Dude. Great pics and write-up.
Just one question though... shouldn't you be putting those pimp-ass torrington bearings underneath the spring? I mean... that's where they are in the Xida setups that I've seen. (And Shaikh runs em on the bottom on his car as well... from what I remember when I was pitted next to him at Thunderhill a few months back...) |
Thread of the day!
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Originally Posted by SchmoozerJoe
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Dude. Great pics and write-up.
Just one question though... shouldn't you be putting those pimp-ass torrington bearings underneath the spring? I mean... that's where they are in the Xida setups that I've seen. (And Shaikh runs em on the bottom on his car as well... from what I remember when I was pitted next to him at Thunderhill a few months back...) |
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
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They wouldn't fit on the ebay perch, so I threw them on the top. Seem to work fine that way. IDK
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Is that c-clip trustworthy?
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Awesome post, thanks for taking the time to detail this.
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Originally Posted by flounder
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Is that c-clip trustworthy?
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I gave you a bunch of props for this thread.
But I fear the QCB might go through and remove all my props once he sees the poor photography. |
Originally Posted by FrankL
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Ours have held much more spring than what Jake has from eBay. That's not the issue at hand with this setup. I let Jake know where the problem would be as these are the longest shocks stuck under miatas.
I have five days off work and was tired of my blown shocks. Built these in a couple of hours and for around $500 bucks. Next setup will be something even better. |
Winner.
Now if I could do something like this for my civic I'd be in po people heaven. |
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Man, seems like there's been a lot of spoon-feeding going on around here lately. I got mine all torn down last night. Thanks a lot for the help, just waiting on my torrington bearings. Hoping for a nice improvement over my 150k mile Showas - going to be running 450/300 7" QA1s.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1397223191 |
This thread just body-slammed that m.net thread on the same subject with 8 million posts going over the same 3 issues.
For anyone concerned about the MSM shock length, do this same setup but with ISC tophats. I had a set up like this (actually, I think I bought it from Jake) and it handled fantastically and had a surprisingly plush ride. |
If you guys want to get more advanced re-valving these are a piece of cake. You need new shock oil that costs like $15/gallon and a shrader valve for each shock that cost $2.50 each. Different valving bits are cheap as well. The downside is that no one sells an off the shelf shaft thats drilled for the adjuster that fits our shafts so none of those cheap adjustable conversion. And thats why sometimes fatcats take a while to get made, Shaik has to send the rods out to a guy to get gun drilled. The hardest part is compression the cap and getting the stupid clip in and out. IIRC once you get it out once you can replace it with a snap ring that's a billion times easier to take in and out.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1120634)
This thread just body-slammed that m.net thread on the same subject with 8 million posts going over the same 3 issues.
For anyone concerned about the MSM shock length, do this same setup but with ISC tophats. I had a set up like this (actually, I think I bought it from Jake) and it handled fantastically and had a surprisingly plush ride. |
What do you guys think about this setup with NA bilsteins, miata GC coilovers (475/350 or something like that) and NB tophats/fcm bumpstops? I'm thinking it should ride comfortably and handle pretty great.
Also, does anybody know what I'd need to make a bilstein shock work with my GC coilovers? They are for kyb agx right now, so I'm pretty sure i will need some adapter rings or something to make the collars sit on the bilsteins. AWESOME thread btw. |
Originally Posted by Fireindc
(Post 1120661)
What do you guys think about this setup with NA bilsteins, miata GC coilovers (475/350 or something like that) and NB tophats/fcm bumpstops? I'm thinking it should ride comfortably and handle pretty great.
Also, does anybody know what I'd need to make a bilstein shock work with my GC coilovers? They are for kyb agx right now, so I'm pretty sure i will need some adapter rings or something to make the collars sit on the bilsteins. AWESOME thread btw. |
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